Bobbi Dreier (Rubo) Is My Stalker

I'll keep an eye out for her IP

Thanks, bud. She finally responded to my email and threatened to report me to the Attorney General. Oh, and she also told me she was done with me quite some time ago.... Go figure!

So, I wrote my contact in that office and let them know that she's been stalking me for two goddamn years now. First at the PI, then Phil's... now this.

She's been so busted.......

Oh, And I banned her IP and the PI's IP as well!

That IP (65.243.162.67) was probably a VPN connection. Her normal connection comes through on http://www.inlandnet.com/ . My guess is that you will notice that somewhere in your logs today.

Hi John:

Why do you think Rubo is stalking you? I've seen your emails to her and it seems it's the other way around. She hasn't been on the PI to get you banned, and the PI certainly hasn't given her moderator rights. I'm sure it was me that was reporting your hateful postings, as is my wont. You went through three screen names in such a short period of time, but no worries. The PI is aware, as are other users on the PI. If you would only engage in discussions rather than hateful assertions and attacks, you'd be fine.

Perhaps you are mistaken, John. It seems you did make this shit up, and it seems to be a habit with you. But no worries. The folks around you will certainly wise up as everyone around you eventually does.

It's sad that you choose to slander and harass and stalk her and then claim it's the other way around.

Thoughts?

That's a nice thought Rebecca as Bobbi has gone crying to you and Phil for a shoulder to lean upon. Who else has she gone to?
Computers don't lie. People do.

As for the discussions I engage in, none are hateful and many good facts are brought to light. Your "attempts" art censorship are against even your beliefs, which further underscores the hatred driven actions of you and Bobbi who stalk after me unscrupulously and methodically. Your admittance that there are those who follow me around for the purpose that I stated is most telling. It's been two goddamn years now and it must stop. I have let the attorney general's office know of her activities and now I will let them know of yours.

Those are my thoughts.

John, would you like me to post the emails you sent to her? Why would you elevate yourself to imagine that anyone would want to stalk you?

She's basically creeped out by your behavior. So am I. So are many folks who have known you for a while.

What happened to the nice guy we knew? You've been banned from the PI by your own bragging rights over 100 times. You have the dubious honor of being the only guy banned from Phil's Forum. Are you proud of that? I didn't go there because you were there and it was difficult dealing with your rants, so just decided not to be there.

Why don't you stop calling her and emailing her? She's requested that you stop numerous times yet you just keep going on. Who is stalking who? Get your own house in order before you go around slandering others. Realize that all of what you've written is recorded, and noted, by many.

I've got some e-mails of hers that I'd like to post myself, if you wish to go down that route. I was not banned from Phil's site. I resigned. So go ahead with your false accusations. It's good to have your attempts at slander in print for all to see. And yes, I AM somewhat of a controversial person with controversial opinions. This is what I get for NOT taking Bobbi's advice. Surely you can admit that this has gone on too far.

I did not go looking for that IP entry. It just happened when I was on two nights ago. I'm more than sure that you know more than what you admit here.
Hell, I'll post those emails if you wish. Here's one....

You just got me banned, didn't you......

Domain Name (Unknown) IP Address 65.243.162.# (Cyberdomain)ISP Verizon BusinessLocation Continent : North America
Country : United States (Facts)
State : Washington
City : Roslyn
Lat/Long : 47.2217, -120.9936 (Map)
Distance : 54 miles (local visitor)

Computers don't lie. Now go ahead and change the subject A-G-A-I-N, stalker.

I've stopped with the emails as I'm outraged over this and the facts that she's run around claiming that I was also banned from this forum. There's no limit as to where she will stop. Here's another one of those emails:

No you weren't and aren't... Computers don't lie. Humans do.

http://www.rejecttheherd.net/forum/room-101/bobbi-dreier-rubo-my-stalker

If you wish to be done, be done.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobbi Dreier [mailto:xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:39 PM
To: xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: It's back up stalker

I haven't a clue what you're referring to and quite frankly am not interested in your paranoid delusions. Don't bother replying, I am done with you and I was a long time ago.

As opposed to her, I'm done with her and I mean to put and end to this once and for all. I suggest you do the same. I can't tell you how many times she's said she's done with me, only to discover her (and you) skulking around trying to silence and censor me. It's time to stop this immaturity. And don't you DARE make this about me, stalker.

And frankly, I'd be concerned if I were you as well. You've admitted to stalking me here which is more than what I need at this point. I'd suggest you leave and leave now.

LOL! Well, okay there big fella. Go ahead and report that I'm responding to your slanderous posts. Go for it!

Your incarnation as Screwtape, The Loved One and more post offensive, insulting and accusations of racism, so whatever if you think that's censorship. I find it amusing you'd report anyone to anyone as you are the one with outstanding warrants, my dear.

We're not stalking you, simply trying to get you to see that you're not thinking clearly.

I'd love it if you went anywhere to report anything! Go for it!!!

Now you can keep your fantasies or you can leave her alone. She is a very close friend, and yes, shares her worries and concerns with me.

From: "John Lukas" < [ Save Address ]
Reply-to:
To: "Bobbi Dreier"
Subject: RE: It's back up stalker
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:44:33 -0800

No you weren't and aren't... Computers don't lie. Humans do.

http://www.rejecttheherd.net/forum/room-101/bobbi-dreier-rubo-my-stalker

If you wish to be done, be done.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bobbi Dreier [mailto:xxxxxx@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 4:39 PM
To:
Subject: Re: It's back up stalker

I haven't a clue what you're referring to and quite frankly am not interested in your paranoid delusions. Don't bother replying, I am done with you and I was a long time ago.

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From: "John Lukas" m> [ Save Address ]
Reply-to:
To: "Bobbi"
Subject: It's back up stalker
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 11:32:49 -0800

Time to tattle, rat.

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From: "John Lukas" <> [ Save Address ]
Reply-to: <>
To: "Bobbi"
Subject: I can see you...
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 17:20:49 -0800

You just got me banned, didn't you......

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Now, as we can see, the above emails are very very weird. So it seems you are the one for the past two years who has gotten weird and become a stalker. Own it!

So let me get this straight, John. You constantly call her and email her when she has requested you don't, then you write a slanderous post on a public forum about her that anyone can read, and since I respond you accuse me of being a stalker?

Wow. Get help!

Screwtape is my enemy. He (she?) has also stalked me. You and your grand delusions are way off here. And yes. BOTH of you are rats. You just admitted to being so above. All of these comments will make it to the Attorney General's office. Thank you.

As for your admitted slandering of me, show me where I've stalked either of you mercilessly (and admittedly) for two goddamn years. Show me where I've behaved like this. You two are peas in a pod.

And when all else fails, you start wailing for me to "get help". I'll tell you what I'll do. I'm going to stop responding to you as I have all I need here and I TRULY and SINCERELY wish to be done with the BOTH of you two little biddies who have nothing else to do with their lives than admittedly stalking me around the internet for TWO YEARS, then telling ME I need help.

Go ahead and stalk away. She and her IP's have been banned from my site. If you show up there, you will be banned as well. The SeattlePI has also been banned from there. Unlike the likes of you, I actually mean what I say.

Stay away from me. I know FIRSTHAND what women can do to men. I don't intend to let this happen to me again.

Go away.

Well then if you weren't Screwtape then what is your beef with Bobbi?

So I admit that we're good friends and you say I'm a rat?

You really don't have a defense, do you?

Why did you think she had you banned? She didn't. And for your information, there were others that reported your posts before I did, and Bobbi wasn't one of them, so your hyperventilating posts are only showing that you don't have a leg to stand on and that you have slandered her publicly.

Heck, I thought you were put in the ban box at Phil's - is that not banning? If not, then ok you weren't banned but you were put in line there.

Why don't you just leave her alone? Is that too hard for you to do?

She let you in to stay at her home with your cats. She tried to help you and this is what you do in return?

I would love to have a call from someone you 'reported' me to. No worries here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking

When identifying cyberstalking "in the field," and particularly when considering whether to report it to any kind of legal authority, the following features or combination of features can be considered to characterize a true stalking situation: malice, premeditation, repetition, distress, obsession, vendetta, no legitimate purpose, personally directed, disregarded warnings to stop, harassment, and threats.[3]
A number of key factors have been identified:
False accusations. Many cyberstalkers try to damage the reputation of their victim and turn other people against them. They post false information about them on websites. They may set up their own websites, blogs or user pages for this purpose. They post allegations about the victim to newsgroups, chat rooms or other sites that allow public contributions, such as Wikipedia or Amazon.com.[4]
Attempts to gather information about the victim. Cyberstalkers may approach their victim's friends, family and work colleagues to obtain personal information. They may advertise for information on the Internet, or hire a private detective. They often will monitor the victim's online activities and attempt to trace their IP address in an effort to gather more information about their victims. [5]
Encouraging others to harass the victim. Many cyberstalkers try to involve third parties in the harassment. They may claim the victim has harmed the stalker or his/her family in some way, or may post the victim's name and telephone number in order to encourage others to join the pursuit.
False victimization. The cyberstalker will claim that the victim is harassing him/her. Bocij writes that this phenomenon has been noted in a number of well-known cases.
Attacks on data and equipment. They may try to damage the victim's computer by sending viruses.
Ordering goods and services. They order items or subscribe to magazines in the victim's name. These often involve subscriptions to pornography or ordering sex toys then having them delivered to the victim's workplace.
Arranging to meet. Young people face a particularly high risk of having cyberstalkers try to set up meetings between them.[6]
Behaviors

Cyberstalkers meet or target their victims by using search engines, online forums, bulletin and discussion boards, chat rooms, and more recently, through online communities such as MySpace, Facebook, Friendster and Indymedia, a media outlet known for self-publishing. They may engage in live chat harassment or flaming or they may send electronic viruses and unsolicited e-mails. [7] Victims of cyberstalking may not even know that they are being stalked. Cyberstalkers may research individuals to feed their obsessions and curiosity. Conversely, the acts of cyberstalkers may become more intense, such as repeatedly instant messaging their targets. [8]

More commonly they will post defamatory or derogatory statements about their stalking target on web pages, message boards and in guest books designed to get a reaction or response from their victim, thereby initiating contact. [7] In some cases, they have been known to create fake blogs in the name of the victim containing defamatory or pornographic content.

When prosecuted, many stalkers have unsuccessfully attempted to justify their behavior based on their use of public forums, as opposed to direct contact. Once they get a reaction from the victim, they will typically attempt to track or follow the victim's internet activity. Classic cyberstalking behavior includes the tracing of the victim's IP address in an attempt to verify their home or place of employment. [7]

Some cyberstalking situations do evolve into physical stalking, and a victim may experience abusive and excessive phone calls, vandalism of personal property, threatening or obscene mail, trespassing, and physical assault.[7] Moreover, many physical stalkers will use cyberstalking as another method of harassing their victims.[9] [10]
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Let it go, John. Leave her alone.

Do friends threaten this?

-----Original Message-----
From: Bobbi Dreier [mailto:xxx]
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 5:21 PM
To: xxx
Subject: RE: It's back up stalker

Thank you for this. I will include it in the information I turn over to the Washington State DA's office as to your emotional instability.

She threatened ME with this first. I take this very seriously and KNOW that neither of you are no longer my friends. I went to bat on both of your behalves for years, only to have it come to this. Rusty has also stayed at my house on snowy days. It was what it was and no longer is.

All I'm asking here is that you two stay away from me and have your admitted "partners in crime" stay away from me as well.

Just stop it. Just go away. YOU let it go. BOBBI, let it go.

John, you're upset that this will hurt your case. She's afraid of you at this point, so yes, she's going to keep your emails and turn them over to the authorities. Isn't that what you've been saying you're doing?

No, we're not your friends anymore. Simply because we frequent some of the same forums doesn't mean we're following you around.

I posted here because I'm concerned at your slandering of my friend. Remove it and all will be well.

You obsessively track IPs. There's something to that, you know. And no, I'm not surfing through a proxy server (gee who taught me that one - oh it was you!!!).

We don't have any 'partners in crime' but you may have your fantasies.

When you slander people publicly, people take notice. You have slandered Bobbi publicly, here.

She has no desire to have any contact with you. Leave her alone.

From above.

That IP didn't put itself there. I certainly didn't put it there.

I track IP's and we put in RFI's to the state to see who's interested in us. EVERY DAY. It's business as usual. Like I stated above, I wasn't looking for it.

From above:

So, this is "hyperventilating" because other people take exception in your eyes? - http://wadvpress.org/?p=105

She slandered herself and doesn't have the guts to back it up. Computers don't lie rebecca. People do.

BOTH of you. LEAVE ME ALONE. Stay away from me. Here AND elsewhere. Get your stories straight before attacking me. I haven't been banned anywhere else. She ADMITTEDLY followed me over to Phil's for the sole purpose of slandering me and you just wish that I not stand up to this? Guess again. I take all charges like this VERY seriously, especially after what has happened to me. Fool me once.... I know all of the games and signs. And telling me that "I need help" is probably your next act of desperation. BOTH of you have made bad decisions and serious mistakes here. Learn from it and STAY AWAY from me.

GO.

Need I remind you that it was YOU who crashed my site one day with false accusations? You used http://theplanet.com to do that and admitted to doing so. I ALSO have the logs, emails, the posts AND the complaint that I filed with http://theplanet.com . from that day last August. Claim what you will with that little halo over your head, but it is you that are guilty of all of your accusations here.

Go. STAY AWAY from me.

John! You're crazy! No, I know she didn't report your posts on the PI (or rather Screwtape's posts) as she wasn't even aware of them until they were gone! THAT's how I know it wasn't her, you conspiracy theorist you! When I went to report them, they had already been reported. My God, John. You simply won't take ANY responsibility for your own actions. It's appalling!

You're accusing her of being in collusion with the PI to 'stalk' you. How megalomaniacal of you. Jesus Christ, John. You are totally out there!

I KNOW you obsessively track ips - I have ancient emails from you talking about it. Yes, it's part of business, but you threatened me when I was at work with a tracer telling me I could lose my job because of your tracer! Then you castigated me for using a proxy server, and you're the one who taught me about them!

Show me where she slandered herself. You have NO PROOF, yet you sit here and slander her.

Wow.

So you want me to go away from all public forums where you post? Basically I've done that, but I see SoldierMedic here, and I've always loved Boanerges' postings, and is it that I'm calling you on your shit that makes you want me to GO AWAY?

Lord save us.

You really should take this slander down. It doesn't reflect well on you.

Craziness.

LOL! I didn't crash your site with false accusations at all little guy. I just posted the truth and you removed it. And yes, I was surfing through a proxy server at the time. You have a problem with that when it's what you do? Hypocrisy, smells so strong here...

Theplanet, eh? One of my vendors.

John, I've said my piece. Of course you and the owner of this site may decide to ban my ip and remove my postings. No worries.

Leave Bobbi alone and all will be well.

Take the slander down.

Thanks.

That is known as minimization in the DV Industry. Not being responsible for your own actions, then casting the blame on others is what you are doing here. No, please go to the PI, but please stay away from me and my message in there.

Messages like this: - http://wadvpress.org/?p=105 are not born through hyperventilation. They are born out of an inconvenient and biased truth that exists out there so that women like you and Bobbi can go after me with false accusation without having to address the message. Oh, you did address the message with minimization, without having to address it at all. I see it every day and I don't have much tolerance for those who promulgate such behavior, yet use it to their advantage when they see fit.

The IP is proof and so is my refutation of your "claims" in here that the both of you have gone around behind my back reporting me because you can. I have not done that to either of you. EVER.

I've had enough of this. STAY AWAY from me.

And just WAS that truth? As I told you, we have three lawyers that post there. Your charge that I was one of those lawyers was FALSE. And you know it.

No, this post will not come down. It has truth on it's side. Computers don't lie. People do.

Your "attempts" at censorship are against even your beliefs, which further underscores the hatred driven actions of you and Bobbi who stalk after me unscrupulously and methodically.

This needs to stop now.

FALSE ACCUSATIONS

She has and so have you. Both have been admitted by you on this thread. No refutation of these FACTS.

Not true. No refutation of these FACTS.

Totally false. No refutation of these FACTS.

I haven't emailed her in ages, sans one email last week where she was on a mass distribution list by mistake. No refutation of these FACTS. I can't even remember the last time that I called her. I wouldn't DARE do that. Lest she might make those same false accusations against me, like she did over at Phil's.

Actually you admitted the contrary above.

Yet you claim this isn't what is happening? You admit you and Bobbi are part of this, yet claim to the contrary? I think that speaks for itself and in itself makes this thread valid.

Because her IP showed up as an admin account from the PI. Like I said, I wasn't looking for THAT, but it did happen. Computers don't lie. People do.

Yet, you state that:

Whatever.

I'm not screwtape or anyone else. I've NEVER made ANY efforts to conceal who I was when I posted. You KNOW that is true.

I track IP's. Obsession has nothing to do with it.

With good reason. As I recall, you got the hell out of there quickly. Along with your false accusations.

I want YOU (and BOBBI) to stay away from ME. I have no problem where you post as I'm not looking for them, never have and never will, unlike the two of you.

And what was that truth? You and I both know what the truth is here.

I have no problem with those who use proxy servers. I have problems with those who use proxy servers than claim they don't. I have problems with those who claim that I was somebody who I wasn't. I have problems with those who don't listen to the truth, yet continue to claim the opposite. I have problems with those who wish to silence others, against their own beliefs, for personal reasons, instead of engaging in meaningful debate. That's what I have problems with. Go ahead and proxy away. I could care less. Just don't project what you wish to hear, then claim it as your "truth".

I will ban your postings (on my site) for all of the above stated reasons in this post. The owner of this site doesn't believe in censorship. Now, if you could bring yourself to post something relevant and truthful, that wouldn't be necessary.

Thanks for the comic relief, bud. I'd like to add this one.....

Gee, most of the PI's admin sites go through the Planet. They've been crashing wadvpress.org all week long and I've been banning them. But, I trace before I ban, and almost everyone of them sans two (out of 15) went through the Planet. That connection from Roslyn that night also used the Planet. Things are starting to add up and make more sense now. Thanks for letting me know!

Tell your "vendor" that I will be easing up on them as they actually are starting to check out pertinent information and might be helpful. In the mean time, they got the message.