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Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult? Can we all just agree that this is a ridiculous money making scheme and remove it from the public discourse. I fear the consequences of this group because they actually make other organized religions appear sane.

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To answer your

To answer your question...
"Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult?"

Same reason I have to see christian nut-cases doing it.
Freedom.

But do I have to see it?
Nope, I can change the channel, turn the page etc... Eye-wink

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Lynn4Peace wrote: To answer

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To answer your question...
"Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult?"

Same reason I have to see christian nut-cases doing it.
Freedom.

But do I have to see it?
Nope, I can change the channel, turn the page etc... Eye-wink

Cheers Mate! Bravo Lynn!

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Yep, Cruise is doing nothing

Yep, Cruise is doing nothing more than following and promoting his Cult as any other Cult member does. Take a look at Pat Robertson, Dobson, Huchabee and also Sports figures who promote it also. All religions are Cult's, it's all about submission and giving up your free will.

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That is a pretty broad

That is a pretty broad definition of a religion/cult, Pagan. Virtually any grouping of people involves limitations on someone's exercise of free will. I can't smoke weed or dance naked at a PTA meeting but I wouldn't call the PTA meeting a cult.

Also my point was that when Cruise's alien mumbo-jumbo gets a free pass from the media (many of whom are afraid to criticize scientology for fear of being sued), it makes other insane people that you mentioned look rational by comparison.

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All religions are Cult's, it's all about submission and giving up your free will.

Catholics are all about free will. I'm interested in the explanation here.

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libertyman wrote:That is a

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That is a pretty broad definition of a religion/cult, Pagan. Virtually any grouping of people involves limitations on someone's exercise of free will. I can't smoke weed or dance naked at a PTA meeting but I wouldn't call the PTA meeting a cult.

Also my point was that when Cruise's alien mumbo-jumbo gets a free pass from the media (many of whom are afraid to criticize scientology for fear of being sued), it makes other insane people that you mentioned look rational by comparison.

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All religions are Cult's, it's all about submission and giving up your free will.

Catholics are all about free will. I'm interested in the explanation here.

Religion is about what? Strict obedience to the Commandments, Church leaders and to your Lord, so where's the "free will"? There's no such thing as excommunications are there?

Merriam-Webster's definition of Cult

1: formal religious veneration : worship
2: a system of religious beliefs and ritual ; also : its body of adherents
3: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious ; also : its body of adherents
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5 a: great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book) ; especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b: the object of such devotion c: a usually small group of people

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Just going back to the Tom

Just going back to the Tom Cruise thing.

The publicity isn't doing him any harm is it?

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bubble wrote:Just going back

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Just going back to the Tom Cruise thing.

The publicity isn't doing him any harm is it?


Well as that old saying goes, "Bad Press is better than no Press".

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Religion is about what? Strict obedience to the Commandments, Church leaders and to your Lord, so where's the "free will"? There's no such thing as excommunications are there?


Strict obedience I agree with, That somehow that equates to a lack of free will, I don't. A person is free to worship as devoutly as they want or not worship at all. The whole sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation is based upon the theory that people will use their free will to sin.

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Boanerges wrote:Pagan

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Religion is about what? Strict obedience to the Commandments, Church leaders and to your Lord, so where's the "free will"? There's no such thing as excommunications are there?


Strict obedience I agree with, That somehow that equates to a lack of free will, I don't. A person is free to worship as devoutly as they want or not worship at all. The whole sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation is based upon the theory that people will use their free will to sin.

Strict obedience means you have free will? OK Puzzled

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Yes, because I choose to be

Yes, because I choose to be part of the Church. I'm not forced into anything.

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Boanerges wrote:Yes, because

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Yes, because I choose to be part of the Church. I'm not forced into anything.

Well people "Choose" to be members of Scientology, Moonies, Heavens Gate, etc. also Eye-wink

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Pagan wrote: Boanerges

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Yes, because I choose to be part of the Church. I'm not forced into anything.

Well people "Choose" to be members of Scientology, Moonies, Heavens Gate, etc. also Eye-wink

Yeppers....and they get conned just like the catholics, mormons, jews etc.
It's all the same shit....different pile.
A crutch if you will.
But, it is MOSTLY by choice that people attend this shit. Unfortunately, many kids ARE born into it and FORCED to attend....But usually those who are FORCED turn against the church the day they wake to realize they actually DO have a mind of their own. Eye-wink
I was born an RC into a strict RC family...and have despised everything this religion stands for since I was 7. I dabbled in other "religions" since...and came to realize it was all a load of shit...and have moved on to something more of a spiritual nature that is more in alignment with science and human kindness. I am proud to say what I believe falls into NO category...it has NO name or title....it has no funding, no demands, no dogma...it's mine and I share it only when someone ASKS me what I stand for and adhear to.
Organized religion is poison IMO...and nothing less.

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Yeppers....and they get conned just like the catholics, mormons, jews etc.
It's all the same shit....different pile.
A crutch if you will.
But, it is MOSTLY by choice that people attend this shit. Unfortunately, many kids ARE born into it and FORCED to attend....But usually those who are FORCED turn against the church the day they wake to realize they actually DO have a mind of their own. Eye-wink
I was born an RC into a strict RC family...and have despised everything this religion stands for since I was 7. I dabbled in other "religions" since...and came to realize it was all a load of shit...and have moved on to something more of a spiritual nature that is more in alignment with science and human kindness. I am proud to say what I believe falls into NO category...it has NO name or title....it has no funding, no demands, no dogma...it's mine and I share it only when someone ASKS me what I stand for and adhear to.
Organized religion is poison IMO...and nothing less.

Cheers Mate! Howzit Brudda

Same here, born into a family with deep roots into the Mormon Church. Started questioning things in my teen years, looked into everything from Baptist to Islam and found all religions to be bullshit based on myth. I may not know what God is but I sure in the hell know what he/it isn't Eye-wink

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I agree, I can't stand to

I agree, I can't stand to see it either. Although we all have a right to choose our religon, freedom of speech.
I turn the channel as well. I have never liked Tom Cruise.

I don't think it's right for children to be forced into any religon- although I know most of us are. I'm just glad that I was able to choose as I grew older.

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Lynn4Peace wrote: To answer

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To answer your question...
"Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult?"

Same reason I have to see christian nut-cases doing it.
Freedom.

But do I have to see it?
Nope, I can change the channel, turn the page etc... Eye-wink

At least Scientologists aren't knocking on my pentagram clad front door trying to convert me.

Given a choice, I'd rather tolerate Tom Cruise every once in a great while!

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DianaR wrote:At least

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At least Scientologists aren't knocking on my pentagram clad front door trying to convert me.

Given a choice, I'd rather tolerate Tom Cruise every once in a great while!


This is one of my favorites! Rolling on the floor laughing

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Here is another good one.

Here is another good one.

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libertyman wrote: Why do I

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Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult? Can we all just agree that this is a ridiculous money making scheme and remove it from the public discourse. I fear the consequences of this group because they actually make other organized religions appear sane.

While I find Tom Cruise rather obnoxious, how is Scientology more a cult than Catholicism?

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DianaR wrote: libertyman

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Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult? Can we all just agree that this is a ridiculous money making scheme and remove it from the public discourse. I fear the consequences of this group because they actually make other organized religions appear sane.

While I find Tom Cruise rather obnoxious, how is Scientology more a cult than Catholicism?

IMO - it's EXACTLY the same. Cheers Mate!

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We can't blame Tom Cruise if

We can't blame Tom Cruise if he wants to promote his religion. That is his right as a follower of Scientology. We do as well promote our religion in our own little ways. The only difference is that Tom Cruse is a Hollywood star and he can influence a lot of people.

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libertyman wrote:
Why do I have to keep seeing Tom Cruise on TV advocating for this cult? Can we all just agree that this is a ridiculous money making scheme and remove it from the public discourse. I fear the consequences of this group because they actually make other organized religions appear sane.

Hello. I just like to add. One reason s because they're registered as a religion and by law you can't just tamper a freedom of religion just like that. A great cover for them don't you think?

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By the way, did you know? One of the reasons why the population of Scientology keeps on growing isn't because many people are joining them intentionally, but they force people to join them.

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We'll' if tom Cruise believes in it and many other celebrities then let them be!!!! It's their choice not ours !!! If they go to hell with it it's their prob;em, if you believe in something then it is you own free will!!! Turn off the boobtube or change the channel that will really be a big help!!

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wghy would someone force to do so

And also if forced why to do so they arent having a MMG in there hands

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By the way, did you know? One of the reasons why the population of Scientology keeps on growing isn't because many people are joining them intentionally, but they force people to join them.

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We have the choice of switching the channels. No one is forcing us to listen to what any celebrity is talking about or promoting.  To tell you the truth I never endorse any product or religion any celebrity is promoting.

I believe that they are getting something in return in doing that.

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Deadly and dangerous Satanic cult is deadly.

 

RIP Lisa Mcpherson and Keep Scientology not working - KSNW

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I'm absolutely agreeing  with your opinion about the Scientology. Besides I have never been  considering that Tom Cruise is a serious actor. I think that Scientology have nothing in common with the religion. I'm sure that it's a more or less successful business project.

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By the way, did you know? One of the reasons why the population of Scientology keeps on growing isn't because many people are joining them intentionally, but they force people to join them.

I do not think that they can force somebody who are in the right mind to join this organisation. I'm sure that they are looking for people with the weak consciousness and  trying to fool them.

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Deadly and dangerous Satanic cult is deadly.

 

RIP Lisa Mcpherson and Keep Scientology not working - KSNW

I think that it's a really big problem sometimes  to unmask the Satanic cults. Many of such cults have technologies of  forcing  the people to join them. We shouldn't be indifferent to such cults because they are a real danger to the society.