Y'all jumped on me for getting after the Scientologists, but I just know that none of you has the audacity to defend the crazy stuff the Mormons do. Right? Please? I'm not a bad person!!!
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 2:53am
Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 8:30am
#1
They're all crazy.
Catholics
They're all crazy.
Catholics believe in only one apostolic God. Anything else is uncivilized.....
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Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:00am
#2
I see no difference between
I see no difference between religion and cults, zip, notta. Remember Christianity was nothing but a Jewish Cult until Constantine made it the State Religion when he needed to control the Empire. But yes, Mormon ...... their constant state of artificial bliss is sickening. Remember this, Utah is the #1 State in the country for being on anti-depressants and shit 
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 9:26am
#3
IMO the whole friggin
IMO the whole friggin CONCEPT of religion is disgusting. The mormons are as crazy as the rest of em!!!
You're not crazy.....
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 10:10am
#4
Yeah but humans in general
Yeah but humans in general are crazy But that isn't specific to the Mormon religion, it affects all. I must say I owe my "enlightenment" to the Mormon faith, for they made me very sceptical. I question everything and attempt to dig down into the roots of the subject. Take a look at Christianity and the story of Christ, hell it comes from the Egyptian book of the dead. They had the story down some 2500 years before the supposed birth of Christ. You know the Virgin Birth, 3 wise men, John the Baptist, 12 Apostles, Judas, Crucifixion, Resurrection, etc. etc. Hell Christianity doesn't have an original idea you know. Anyway as mankind's knowledge and understanding of the universe grows religion drops further into being nothing but myth. But then again as our knowledge grows and we find more answers we only create more questions also. So IMO religion will just morph into crazier and wilder ideas, look at Scientology. Someone writes a few SciFi novels and they build a religion around it. Much like J. Smith and the BoM and an obscure Jewish Cult taking a myth out of the Egyptian Book of the Dead. So what's the next Cult/Religion going to be? 
My father, the Church is everything to him, it's his rock that has gotten him through more shit that any lesser man would have hung himself years ago. Out of respect I don't push my distaste of religion onto him. But also out of respect I will not "pretend" to believe just to appease him. My Father is one of the most honest and most generous person there is, what you see is what you get, nothing fake about him. Because of this he has been fucked over so many times in his life but he has always gotten up, brushed himself off and never given up. Like I said he has used his faith in his religion to get through what life throws at him, everyone needs a hero in their life, I'm just lucky enough to have my Father as mine. But the funny thing about Hero's, they're human. So every now and again he starts with shit out of the Book of Mormon, especially when I take him to Peru. He tries like hell to validate the BoM with what we find down there, guess what? The more and more we find out about history the more people realise that the BoM is nothing but a work of fiction.
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 6:46pm
#5
Mormons are no crazier than
Mormons are no crazier than Baptists or Jehovah's Witnesses. It's all about controllin ght eother person based on an invisible god.
Wed, 02/25/2009 - 9:19am
#6
Pagan wrote:
Yeah but
Pagan wrote:
Yeah but humans in general are crazy
My father, the Church is everything to him, it's his rock that has gotten him through more shit that any lesser man would have hung himself years ago.
I also know of cases where religious belief has helped people through difficult times, as in losing a loved one. And I've given up debating the general points on religion with them long ago.
One thing about it is that the process of believing itself seems to work for some people.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 5:20am
#7
DianaR wrote:
Mormons are
DianaR wrote:
Mormons are no crazier than Baptists or Jehovah's Witnesses. It's all about controllin ght eother person based on an invisible god.
The invisible God is fine. I believe (S?)He exists even I never seen Him/Her. But It's disgusting that some people believe they know exactly what He want and try to impose it to other people. What is so-called His will is actually their own will.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 7:02am
#8
st_hart wrote:DianaR
st_hart wrote:
DianaR wrote:Mormons are no crazier than Baptists or Jehovah's Witnesses. It's all about controllin ght eother person based on an invisible god.The invisible God is fine. I believe (S?)He exists even I never seen Him/Her. But It's disgusting that some people believe they know exactly what He want and try to impose it to other people. What is so-called His will is actually their own will.
I choose to reject religion, but I've always respected one's right to believe. Well that is as long as they don't push their beliefs onto me, what chaps my ass is 90% of the religious crowd always seem to speak in "Absolutes". I love this quote from a Muslim woman
Quote:
I don't care if someone believes in stones, as long as they don't throw them at me.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 10:37am
#9
Pagan wrote:
I choose to
Pagan wrote:
I choose to reject religion, but I've always respected one's right to believe. Well that is as long as they don't push their beliefs onto me, what chaps my ass is 90% of the religious crowd always seem to speak in "Absolutes". I love this quote from a Muslim woman
Quote:I don't care if someone believes in stones, as long as they don't throw them at me.
That's nice quote, and really true. It is ok to believe whatever we want and feel comfortable with, as long as we keep in mind that the others also have the same right with us in that matter. I am bored to watch people who think their belief is the true and the others' is the false. Beliefs are...well, speculation. We believe because we haven't known what we believe. It means there haven't been proofs yet that our belief or their belief or both or none is true.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 11:29am
#10
As for the original post - I
As for the original post - I guess we don't all agree.
The recent replies bring this to mind:
Quote:
There are as many paths to god as there are persons on earth.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 11:41am
#11
Fremen wrote:As for the
Fremen wrote:
As for the original post - I guess we don't all agree.
The recent replies bring this to mind:
Quote:There are as many paths to god as there are persons on earth.
I also remember listening to an interview with Ghandi's grandson. He said he asked his grandfather why everyday he started with a prayer from a different religion. He said his grandfather said "We're all trying to reach the same peak, does it matter what side of the mountain we climb?" I always thought that was cool 
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 3:23pm
#12
I find it interesting the
I find it interesting the replies here. Now I have no problem with people presribing to a particular theology, just as long as it makes them a better person or more comfortable in their skin. But when it becomes a ticket to pass judgement upon conflicting beliefs I do take issue.
On the flip side without some belief or faith I would think the world would be a rather depressing place to be. There is much to learn from most all religions, more specifically they provide a source to draw upon for the individual to form their value system. Without a value system then all I can say is you have no value!
I believe it was Karl Marx that said "Religion was the opiate of the masses". But then what he promoted had no staying power or provided an improved human experience.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 3:31pm
#13
AstuteObserver wrote:I find
AstuteObserver wrote:
I find it interesting the replies here. Now I have no problem with people presribing to a particular theology, just as long as it makes them a better person or more comfortable in their skin. But when it becomes a ticket to pass judgement upon conflicting beliefs I do take issue.On the flip side without some belief or faith I would think the world would be a rather depressing place to be. There is much to learn from most all religions, more specifically they provide a source to draw upon for the individual to form their value system. Without a value system then all I can say is you have no value!
I believe it was Karl Marx that said "Religion was the opiate of the masses". But then what he promoted had no staying power or provided an improved human experience.
Philosophy, I find much more satisfaction there than I do with Dogmatic religion. Also interesting point about Marx is on his gravestone he has "I'm not a Marxist". Like anything he comes up with an "idea" and someone takes it and creates a religion from it. Yes I call Marxism, Socialism, Communism, etc. a religion.
Sat, 02/28/2009 - 3:35pm
#14
Philosophy, I find much
Philosophy, I find much more satisfaction there than I do with Dogmatic religion. Also interesting point about Marx is on his gravestone he has "I'm not a Marxist". Like anything he comes up with an "idea" and someone takes it and creates a religion from it. Yes I call Marxism, Socialism, Communism, etc. a religion.
Well...Jesus wasn't a Christian, either. His followers are, though.
Sun, 03/01/2009 - 1:22am
#15
for me no religion can save
for me no religion can save us, its what we believed in.
Mon, 03/02/2009 - 1:05am
#16
DianaR wrote:
Well...Jesus
DianaR wrote:
Well...Jesus wasn't a Christian, either. His followers are, though.
Yes. And I don't think He intended to spread his teaching only for "Christian". Instead, He wanted His teaching benefits and maybe saves all human beings. I think no spiritual masters encouraged exclusivity. Buddha, Jesus, Mohammad...they wanted to spread their wisdom and teaching to all people. They didn't want to create religions.
Mon, 03/02/2009 - 9:52am
#17
AstuteObserver wrote:
I
AstuteObserver wrote:
I find it interesting the replies here. Now I have no problem with people presribing to a particular theology, just as long as it makes them a better person or more comfortable in their skin. But when it becomes a ticket to pass judgement upon conflicting beliefs I do take issue.On the flip side without some belief or faith I would think the world would be a rather depressing place to be. There is much to learn from most all religions, more specifically they provide a source to draw upon for the individual to form their value system. Without a value system then all I can say is you have no value!
I believe it was Karl Marx that said "Religion was the opiate of the masses". But then what he promoted had no staying power or provided an improved human experience.
All religions are IMO "tickets to pass judgement". I think it's evident...
I also feel that people who are non-religious have fantastic value systems...in the absence of dogma/religion. I feel somewhat frusterated when one proposes that it is in religion that we find our morals and values, because that's dogma piled on top of more damn dogma.
As for Marx and "staying power"...untrue. Perhaps you have not read his material in-depth.
Have a look at his theory on social stratification. You'll find it's got some staying power...among MANY other theories of his.
Mon, 03/02/2009 - 11:08am
#18
Lynn4Peace
Lynn4Peace wrote:
AstuteObserver wrote:I find it interesting the replies here. Now I have no problem with people presribing to a particular theology, just as long as it makes them a better person or more comfortable in their skin. But when it becomes a ticket to pass judgement upon conflicting beliefs I do take issue.On the flip side without some belief or faith I would think the world would be a rather depressing place to be. There is much to learn from most all religions, more specifically they provide a source to draw upon for the individual to form their value system. Without a value system then all I can say is you have no value!
I believe it was Karl Marx that said "Religion was the opiate of the masses". But then what he promoted had no staying power or provided an improved human experience.
All religions are IMO "tickets to pass judgement". I think it's evident...
I also feel that people who are non-religious have fantastic value systems...in the absence of dogma/religion. I feel somewhat frusterated when one proposes that it is in religion that we find our morals and values, because that's dogma piled on top of more damn dogma.
As for Marx and "staying power"...untrue. Perhaps you have not read his material in-depth.
Have a look at his theory on social stratification. You'll find it's got some staying power...among MANY other theories of his. ;)
Yep, IMO religion has given and continues to give those who believe an excuse to commit the most heinous crimes in history. Let me quote not only a very moral man but one of the true genius's in history -
Quote:
“The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion.”
-- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
Mon, 03/02/2009 - 4:42pm
#19
Another great quote -
Another great quote -
Quote: “Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
-- Sir Arthur C. Clarke
Tue, 03/03/2009 - 12:44am
#20
Two words: magic underwear.
Two words: magic underwear. Sounds crazy to me.
Seriously though, great discussion. Glad my silly post started it (yes, I'm taking full credit).
Fri, 06/05/2009 - 6:43am
#21
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Hi! I've been reading your posts and see how great discussion this is. So... Besides Mormons... Is there any other religion that you think isn't crazy? Because I think all of religion are.
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 8:17am
#22
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
savvyeyty wrote:
Hi! I've been reading your posts and see how great discussion this is. So... Besides Mormons... Is there any other religion that you think isn't crazy? Because I think all of religion are.
Yep, you pretty much nailed it I myself believe all religions are deluded ya know. Hell I grew up Mormon 
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 9:22am
#23
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Although I don't agree with their particular flavor of religion, Mormons seems to be a harmless, albeit somewhat strange (at times) group.
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 9:28am
#24
Re: They're all crazy. Catholics
Mysandrist Fool wrote:
They're all crazy.Catholics believe in only one apostolic God. Anything else is uncivilized.....
This is incorrect. We believe in one god. This is true. To use apostolic in conjunction is improper. Apostolic means related to the Apostles. As in Apostolic succession means it can be traced all the way back to the original 12 Apostles. Since God predates the Apostles he can't be Apostolic.
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 3:37pm
#25
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
I'm new to the forum, but I'm surprised that on a site called "Reject the Herd", where I suppose every viewpoint is considered valid and if disagreed with, will be counted intelligently, that you were jumped for saying anything negative about anything.
I think many aspects of Scientology are ridiculous, yes.
I also think some aspects of the Mormon religion are ridiculous as well.
Blindly following pretty much any set of beliefs is ridiculous, in my opinion.
It doesn't make you a bad person to criticize other people's faiths, as long as you don't do it with hate.
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 7:01pm
#26
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Mormons even have their own card game!
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 7:23pm
#27
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Boanerges wrote:
Mormons even have their own card game!
How things change, Cards were once seen as a tool of the Devil in the LDS faith, now it's a tool for the "righteous" 
Sat, 06/06/2009 - 9:06pm
#28
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Dogmatic faith is where most of the danger resides. When ones faith dictates judgment is where I draw the line.
Nothing wrong with having a belief in something other than the here and now. If one elects to prescribe to a particular theological or spiritual belief system and it brings them comfort and purpose then great. Just as long as the judgmental part is not exercised I have no problem with anothers' orientation. To each his own, that I believe is part of free will.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 6:23am
#29
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
AstuteObserver wrote:
Dogmatic faith is where most of the danger resides. When ones faith dictates judgment is where I draw the line.
Nothing wrong with having a belief in something other than the here and now. If one elects to prescribe to a particular theological or spiritual belief system and it brings them comfort and purpose then great. Just as long as the judgmental part is not exercised I have no problem with anothers' orientation. To each his own, that I believe is part of free will.
Why would you think it bad for a person the make judgements based on faith? We (humans) are judgmental by our very nature. Most religions teach good values to be followed in life. Just because you can do whatever you what doesn't mean I have to like it. Because a person's morals come from a particular religion or from the teachings of their parents should make no difference.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:42am
#30
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Boanerges wrote:
AstuteObserver wrote:Dogmatic faith is where most of the danger resides. When ones faith dictates judgment is where I draw the line.
Nothing wrong with having a belief in something other than the here and now. If one elects to prescribe to a particular theological or spiritual belief system and it brings them comfort and purpose then great. Just as long as the judgmental part is not exercised I have no problem with anothers' orientation. To each his own, that I believe is part of free will.Why would you think it bad for a person the make judgements based on faith? We (humans) are judgmental by our very nature. Most religions teach good values to be followed in life. Just because you can do whatever you what doesn't mean I have to like it. Because a person's morals come from a particular religion or from the teachings of their parents should make no difference.
As to "teaching good values" it depends, ever read about the Rape, Murder, Incest, Human Sacrifice, Genocide, Slavery, etc. etc. in the Bible? Not to mention the complete intolerance for anyone or any other belief.
Sorry, but those aren't any particular values I care to associate myself with.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:49am
#31
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Well Boan as long as one restricts judging to themselves I have no issue. I do take issue when religion is used to isolated or segregate populations within a society based upon value judgments.
I have little or no time for organized religion in my life. Their politics are petty and some of the most unethical people I have dealt with have been members of one congregation or another.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 10:12am
#32
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
If those things were ENCOURAGED by the Bible and the religions that follow them your might have a valid point.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 10:59am
#33
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Boanerges wrote:
If those things were ENCOURAGED by the Bible and the religions that follow them your might have a valid point.
Aaaah yeah right, then I guess there's no such thing as Christian terrorists then eh? History and the present not to mention the Bible itself says otherwise
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 11:07am
#34
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Me neither....
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Sun, 06/07/2009 - 1:07pm
#35
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Pagan wrote:
Aaaah yeah right, then I guess there's no such thing as Christian terrorists then eh? History and the present not to mention the Bible itself says otherwise
There are terrorists of all flavors. Such is the way of the world. Like I said the Bible, and any religious organization I have ever been associated with are about doing good in the world. Maybe you attend the wrong places eh?
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 2:02pm
#36
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Yeah, like rules for Rape? 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; 29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.Quote:Deuteronomy 22:28-29 (King James Version)
How about Sex Slaves?
Quote:
Exodus 21:7-11 (King James Version)7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
How about Jesus on treating ones Slaves
Quote:
Luke 12:47 (King James Version)47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Some great Morals taught here eh? 
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 2:19pm
#37
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
boan sez:
Oh, we just look past that and make believe it never happened nor was said. Or, we can assign a different "meaning" to it, then wash our hands!
The bible does "allow" one to wash hands, does it not?
Matthew 23:28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
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Sun, 06/07/2009 - 2:48pm
#38
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
The Christian religion really preaches love and tolerance doesn't it? 20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Quote:Exodus 22:20 (King James Version)
Quote:1 John 2:22 (King James Version)
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:36pm
#39
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
If you would take the time to read whole chapters you would know how assine your comments are.
Quote:
23If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;24Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.
25But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.
28If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
The reason the man was forced to do this is because if she was not betrothed already she would never be able to have a husband. In the time this was written it would place a burden upon her father. Notice if you read the whole passage if she was betrothed, the man was stoned and if she didn't cry out in the city she was stoned also. Also in these cases the woman did not live with the man after they were married. They generally stayed with their parents. The man was then required to provide for her needs. Also this means he would not be able to marry any other woman. EVER. This punishment was a hell of a lot more strict than what is dealt out in our country today for rape.
Keep trying there "scholar"
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:41pm
#40
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Pagan wrote:
The Christian religion really preaches love and tolerance doesn't it?
Quote:Exodus 22:20 (King James Version)20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
In BC time sacrifices were often made in the form of sheep, lamb, goat, whatever. To sacrifice them meant to "destroy" them. Burning was usually the method of choice. This passage refers to that practice but means their soul is destroyed. Not that they should BE destroyed.
Keep it up "Scholar"
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:43pm
#41
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Mysandrist Fool wrote:
boan sez:Oh, we just look past that and make believe it never happened nor was said. Or, we can assign a different "meaning" to it, then wash our hands!
The bible does "allow" one to wash hands, does it not?
Matthew 23:28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
If I want to convey something, I'll post it myself. Don't need you to speak for me, but thanks for the (lame but thoughtful) effort.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 8:49pm
#42
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
pagan wrote:
How about Jesus on treating ones Slaves
Quote:Luke 12:47 (King James Version)47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Some great Morals taught here eh?
He was expressing the consequences of actions in a slave / master relationship. He was not condoning it or telling people this is what you do.
Swing and a miss. Got any more Professor?
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 9:02pm
#43
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Yeah Boaner, that's the way YOU interpret it, others interpret it differently.
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 9:11pm
#44
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Pagan wrote:
Yeah Boaner, that's the way YOU interpret it, others interpret it differently.
Not just me but actual scholars that have a clue about the time it was written and the vernacular used and customs of that time. Others interpret it differently but they are mostly pot smoking lard asses with an internet connection that got tired of jacking off to MILFs. (present company excepted) (well except MF)
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 9:16pm
#45
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Boanerges wrote:
Pagan wrote:Yeah Boaner, that's the way YOU interpret it, others interpret it differently.
Not just me but actual scholars that have a clue about the time it was written and the vernacular used and customs of that time. Others interpret it differently but they are mostly pot smoking lard asses with an internet connection that got tired of jacking off to MILFs. (present company excepted) (well except MF)
So that must be the reason why there are so many flavors who not only have vastly different "opinions" but actually go to war over it?
Because they have a clue? 
Sun, 06/07/2009 - 9:40pm
#46
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
What was Jesus doing talking about slaves in that "context" in the first place. Because it was "socially acceptable" and he was pandering to the masses, or was this the "word of God"?
And boan, you DO need more help with thoughts getting inside of your head, not less. There? Like that Judgment? If not, stop your own. 
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Sun, 06/07/2009 - 11:18pm
#47
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
All I have to say is war, war, war justified using newfound monotheistic zeal, is pervasive in the old testament. The historical nature of the book is interesting, but the value systems posited are bizarre at best and hardly conscionable today. It's a wonder to me that folks might take what is written to heart.
I think it's the word of folks telling us how we should use this information, not the bible itself, that is the problem. Information is harmless, neutral. What is done with that info is what leads to judgement and pain and terrorism. Religion has been used to justify many of our less enlightened behaviors and as an inspiration for some of our finest. Just like anything in life, yet it somehow gets a lot of attention in human society.
If I took Moby Dick and declared the divinity of Melville, started marching from city to city killing every occupant and left those cities to burn - what's the point in all of that? What person would honestly visit horrors upon another human in the name of Jehovah? What Muslim in the name of Allah? A sun god and a moon god, war gods, transformed by Abraham's followers into the one true god (heavily simplified) for different tribes. Tribes that made it a generational crusade to wipe out entire races of people in the name of manifest destiny. What Christian would do this in the name of Jesus? A fucking crazy one.
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 4:58am
#48
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Mysandrist Fool wrote:
What was Jesus doing talking about slaves in that "context" in the first place. Because it was "socially acceptable" and he was pandering to the masses, or was this the "word of God"?And boan, you DO need more help with thoughts getting inside of your head, not less. There? Like that Judgment? If not, stop your own.
Read the whole book and not just C&Ped blurbs and you will see. The read other books or find people that know about the writings and you will see what he was talking about.
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 5:04am
#49
Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Fremen wrote:
All I have to say is war, war, war justified using newfound monotheistic zeal, is pervasive in the old testament. The historical nature of the book is interesting, but the value systems posited are bizarre at best and hardly conscionable today. It's a wonder to me that folks might take what is written to heart.
I don't think anyone still practices the rituals of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament are still used but not the practices. Skeptics like to pulled reading from the Old Testament because they sound so bizarre by today's standards and/or are easily misunderstood.
Fremen wrote:
I think it's the word of folks telling us how we should use this information, not the bible itself, that is the problem. Information is harmless, neutral. What is done with that info is what leads to judgement and pain and terrorism. Religion has been used to justify many of our less enlightened behaviors and as an inspiration for some of our finest. Just like anything in life, yet it somehow gets a lot of attention in human society.
This goes along with my point. Not once have I ever walked into a church and been told that raping, killing, slavery are acceptable or even required.
Mon, 06/08/2009 - 6:12am
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Re: Can we at least agree the Mormons are crazy?
Boanerges wrote:
Fremen wrote:All I have to say is war, war, war justified using newfound monotheistic zeal, is pervasive in the old testament. The historical nature of the book is interesting, but the value systems posited are bizarre at best and hardly conscionable today. It's a wonder to me that folks might take what is written to heart.
I don't think anyone still practices the rituals of the Old Testament. The teachings of the Old Testament are still used but not the practices. Skeptics like to pulled reading from the Old Testament because they sound so bizarre by today's standards and/or are easily misunderstood.Fremen wrote:I think it's the word of folks telling us how we should use this information, not the bible itself, that is the problem. Information is harmless, neutral. What is done with that info is what leads to judgement and pain and terrorism. Religion has been used to justify many of our less enlightened behaviors and as an inspiration for some of our finest. Just like anything in life, yet it somehow gets a lot of attention in human society.
This goes along with my point. Not once have I ever walked into a church and been told that raping, killing, slavery are acceptable or even required.
You mean you've never heard Pat Robertson talk about assassination of a world leader? I also take it that Christian Terrorists like the IRA, KKK, Gods Army, National Liberation Front of Tripura, Lords Resistance Army, nor the Anti Abortion groups here in the U.S. are just a figment of everyones imagination eh? 
