When Men Kill

Come on, MF, women do not commit crimes of passion, at least not enough to warrant an unbiased study.
These kinds of reports remind me of easy-target legislation, man: this forensic psychologist is either trying to, or required to publish and get his name out there and bolster a resume'. We get the same kind of thing in politics. Take some stereotype and throw some numbers behind it, publish - who cares if it's BS, it's going to be used as professional evidence in high-school and college essays and posts on forums for discussion. The real danger comes when this stuff makes it into the courts and influences commonlaw. Which would probably suit this piss-poor study-writer just fine, right?

It would!

The trouble with statistics presented as percent figures is that these figures by themselves appear to tell you something, but most likely tell you only what the presenter wants you to know. In the case of the information in the fourth paragraph, anyone with just an average understanding of statistics (and 25% of adults in North America are functionally illiterate, which leads you to believe that there are very few people who are truly qualified, able and willing to look critically at such statements) may get the impression that men are nine times more murderous toward their spouses than wives are toward theirs: 26% of female murder victims were slain by their husbands or boyfriend, and 3% of male victims were slain by their wives or girlfriends. Divide 3 into 26 and presto, you have your factor of nine, right? Wrong!

It may well be that the FBI wants the average person to believe that, but that is not what the ratio of spousal murders is. I think that BOJ statistics stated that the ratio is actually 41 men killed by wives and girlfriends for every 59 women killed by husbands and boyfriends.

There is another problem with these statistics. A trick was used that is frequently employed by people who lie with statistics. It very effectively misleads anyone into misinterpreting the information presented. That is to quote a percent figure for one aspect of the data and then to leave the reader to jump to the conclusion that the corresponding group in the data set presents the remainder of the universe that the data set represents. What does "77 percent of murder victims in 1995 were males" make you think? It leads you to think that the other 23% of the victims were women, right? That would be the wrong way of looking at things. There are other victims who are neither men nor women, that is, children. In this case, the information presented by the FBI leaves out the fact that, according to Child Protective Services, in 1995 there were 1,215 victims of child murder. The real number of these victims is most likely more than twice that, but they too are without doubt victims that must be included in considering the problem of murder in the US.

It is at best misleading to quote percentages in the manner that the FBI did. If percentages are used to identify any fraction of an overall population, then it is necessary to calculate the percentage of each fraction by the common denominator of a percentage of the overall population, if one wants to use percentages. Considering that the people at the FBI who published the figure in the manner they did know more about statistics than the average person, it must be assumed that the misleading percentage figures were shown deliberately.

Here are tables that reflect absolute numbers and percentages relating to items mentioned by the FBI in the above list. (The figures that I calculated from the information provided by the FBI are shown on gray background in the table.)

Murders in the US in 1995

Victims Percent of total

Total Murders 21,597 100
Men 16,630 77
Women 3,752 17.4
Children (Source: CPS) 1,215 5.6

Men murdered by girlfriends/wives 3% of 16,630 499 2.31
Women murdered by boyfriends/husbands 26% of 3,752 976 4.52

Source: FBI Uniform Crime Report for 1995
Discussion of data

Murders in the US in 1996

Victims Percent of total
Total Murders 19,645 100
Men 15,848 80.7
Women 2,711 13.8
Children
(Child Fatality Fact Sheet) 1,077 5.5

Men murdered by girlfriends/wives 3% of 15,848 475 2.4
Women murdered by boyfriends/husband 30% of 2,711 813 4.1

Source: FBI Uniform Crime Report for 1996

If you now calculate the percentages for the sexes in spousal murders as a percentage of all spousal murders, you'll come up with the following:

According to the FBI, in 1995 spousal murder victims were comprised of 33.8% men and 66.2% women.

That is a far cry from a factor of nine, but it still leaves open to question why the figures quoted by the FBI are so vastly different from those quoted by the Bureau of Justice. The latter stated that the ratio is 41:59.

Whatever the figures may be, it is very important to remember that women are far more likely to be cleared of murder charges than men are. In such cases, even though the men are quite dead and were according to common sense murdered, their deaths are not included in the murder statistics. That points out one of the major flaws in the compilations of such statistics. These statistics are based on convictions. That would be perfectly all right in a justice system which treats all people equal and just, a system that is perfect even in detecting and prosecuting all crimes, but that isn't the system we have.

There is another flaw in these murder statistics. It involves another category of victims. Many child murders go undetected, unreported and unprosecuted, or are, in the best interest of women and social services, not prosecuted as murders. These will not make it into the reported total of murders either. The lives of children, especially when they were taken by women, are not considered of much value in our society.

I have to disagree, I have seen many murder stories worldwide where they have tried to claim the man is insane, look at the the Fritzil murder of the baby and the imprisonment of his daughter. Many lawyers will try to get their clients sentence reduced if they are found insane be it male or female.

Here's one of them. On that, you will get no disagreement from me. He will not be successful, either.

But, when you consider the preferential treatment that women are afforded in such cases, the ways in which they subsequently and all of a sudden claim "abuse", there is no comparison. Take the Menendez trial, for instance.

I will stand by my original statement of:

It states that when men kill, it is out of "anger, possession", violence".

When women kill they make up all of the syndromes to explain away
their murders so they don't have to include them in cherry-picked
statistical manipulation.

Yes it is correct. Most of the women kill and they try to create sympathy towards her, like that they create the stroy. But this is very minimal percentage.

Sometimes women kill also happens due to Psychological problems with women.

Men are always at the spotlight than women. Thats why men are popular even in crimes covering up thus filthy women. But women are more nasty when it comes to killing. Like thus featured in crime channel it was shocking to see that women have more nasty secrets when it comes to killing.

Steve McNair comes to mind as was Boxer Arturo Gatti, who was also gunned down in cold blood 5 days after McNairs murder. Authorities "struggle" with this and then labeled them a murder, or murder/suicide, as they both were cases of control issues which is a flagship definer for Domestic Violence. Neither was labeled as such. We're working hard on changing that by lobbying the newspapers. Recentle, during the past week, the Washington Post came through. Please read the following:

Tuesday, July 14, 2009

A domestic violence victim

Ned Holstein and Glenn Sacks

Police recently concluded that former NFL star Steve McNair was fatally shot in his sleep by girlfriend Sahel Kazemi in a murder-suicide. Yet while there are more than 10,000 media entries on Google News for Steve McNair, only a few of them even mention the phrase domestic violence.

Violence by women against their male partners is often ignored or not recognized as domestic violence. Law enforcement, the judicial system, the media and the domestic-violence establishment are still stuck in the outdated “man as perpetrator/woman as victim” conception of domestic violence.

Yet more than 200 studies have found that women initiate at least as much violence against their male partners as vice versa. Men account for about a third of domestic-violence injuries and deaths. Research shows women often compensate for their lack of physical strength by employing weapons and the element of surprise—just as Miss Kazemi is thought to have done.

The most recent large-scale study of domestic violence was conducted by Harvard researchers and published in the American Journal of Public Health. The study, which surveyed 11,000 men and women, found that, according to both men’s and women’s accounts, 50 percent of the violence in their relationships was reciprocal (involving both parties). In those cases, the women were more likely to have been the first to strike. Moreover, when the violence was one-sided, both women and men said women were the perpetrators about 70 percent of the time.

New research from Deborah Capaldi shows the most dangerous domestic-violence scenario for both women and men is that of reciprocal violence, particularly if that violence is initiated by women. Moreover, children who witness their mothers assaulting their fathers are just as likely to assault their intimate partners when they are adults as those who saw their fathers assault their mothers.

There are solutions to protect all parties affected by domestic violence:

Just as we’ve properly stigmatized men who hit women, we need to encourage women not to attack their men. Ms. Capaldi says she thinks the best way for women to be safe is not to initiate violence against their male partners. “The question of initiation of violence is a crucial one .... much DV is mutual, and initiations—even that seem minor—may lead to escalation,” she says. Ms. Capaldi’s research found that a young woman’s domestic violence was just as predictive of her male partner’s future domestic violence as the man’s own past domestic violence.

When safe, the domestic-violence system needs to treat violent couples as violent couples, instead of shoehorning them into the “man as perp/woman as victim” model. Counseling services for violent couples are rare. Domestic-violence author and authority Lonnie R. Hazelwood says the misguided domestic-violence establishment “has been very effective in passing laws to prohibit couples counseling and eliminate programs which use gender-inclusive strategies.”

Establish services and help for male domestic-violence victims. Denise Hines of Clark University found that when an abused man called the police, the police were more likely to arrest him than to arrest his abusive female partner. This is partly the result of primary aggressor laws, which encourage police to discount who initiated and committed the violence but instead look at other factors that make them likelier to arrest men. When the men in Ms. Hines’ study tried calling domestic-violence hot lines, 64 percent were told the hot lines helped only women, and more than half were referred to programs for male domestic-violence perpetrators.

Work to ensure that male domestic-violence victims will not lose their children in custody proceedings. Ms. Hines found that the biggest reason male domestic-violence victims hesitate to leave their wives/girlfriends is concern for their children. If they leave, their children are left unprotected in the hands of a violent mother. If they take their children, when they’re found, the children will be taken away and given to the mother. Moreover, the men probably would lose custody of their children in the divorce/custody proceeding anyway, again leaving their children in harm’s way.

Perhaps none of these policies would have saved Mr. McNair. However, domestic violence by women isn’t rare, it isn’t trivial, and ignoring it harms couples and their children.

Dr. Ned Holstein is a public health specialist with the Mount Sinai School of Medicine and the founder of Fathers & Families. Glenn Sacks is the organization’s executive director. Their Web site is www.FathersandFamiles.org.

Now we all know when men kill they are often over heard saying "I hate you, I hate you".
But women are so different they are often heard saying " I love you, I love you" as they pull the trigger repeatedly or thrust that knife into the body!
Give me a break - a heinous crime is a a heinous crime regardless of perpetrators gender!
I take issue with the hate crime laws for the same reason.