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Men V Women Wage Gap???

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Indeed there may be none. As reported by the Department of Labor, this is what the findings were as of January 12, 2009. Here is the forward. The COMPLETE report may be found here.

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During the past three decades, women have made notable gains in the workplace and in pay equity, including increased labor force participation, substantial gains in educational attainment, employment growth in higher paying occupations, and significant gains in real earnings.

In 1970, about 43 percent of women aged 16 and older were in the labor force; by 2007, over 59 percent were in labor force.

In 1970, only 17.9 percent of women aged 25 and older had gone to college; by 2000, almost half had gone to college; and by 2006 one-third of the women in the labor force held a college degree.

In 2007, women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations. They outnumbered men in such occupations as financial managers, human resource managers, education administrators, medical and health services managers, and accountants and auditors.

In 1970, the median usual weekly earnings for women working full-time was only 62.1 percent of those for men; by 2007, the raw wage gap had shrunk from 37.9 percent to just 21.5 percent.

However, despite these gains the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform policymakers and the public.

The following report prepared by CONSAD Research Corporation presents the results of a detailed statistical analysis of the attributes that contribute to the wage gap and a synopsis of the economic research that has been conducted on the issue. The major findings are:

There are observable differences in the attributes of men and women that account for most of the wage gap. Statistical analysis that includes those variables has produced results that collectively account for between 65.1 and 76.4 percent of a raw gender wage gap of 20.4 percent, and thereby leave an adjusted gender wage gap that is between 4.8 and 7.1 percent. These variables include:

A greater percentage of women than men tend to work part-time. Part-time work tends to pay less than full-time work.

A greater percentage of women than men tend to leave the labor force for child birth, child care and elder care. Some of the wage gap is explained by the percentage of women who were not in the labor force during previous years, the age of women, and the number of children in the home.

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Women, especially working mothers, tend to value “family friendly” workplace policies more than men. Some of the wage gap is explained by industry and occupation, particularly, the percentage of women who work in the industry and occupation.

Research also suggests that differences not incorporated into the model due to data limitations may account for part of the remaining gap. Specifically, CONSAD’s model and much of the literature, including the Bureau of Labor Statistics Highlights of Women’s Earnings, focus on wages rather than total compensation. Research indicates that women may value non-wage benefits more than men do, and as a result prefer to take a greater portion of their compensation in the form of health insurance and other fringe benefits.

In principle, more of the raw wage gap could be explained by including some additional variables within a single comprehensive analysis that considers all of the factors simultaneously; however, such an analysis is not feasible to conduct with available data bases. Factors, such as work experience and job tenure, require data that describe the behavior of individual workers over extended time periods. The longitudinal data bases that contain such information include too few workers, however, to support adequate analysis of factors like occupation and industry. Cross-sectional data bases that include enough workers to enable analysis of factors like occupation and industry do not collect data on individual workers over long enough periods to support adequate analysis of factors like work experience and job tenure.

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers.

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So here's the interesting

So here's the interesting thing: when we reach a statistical plateau of equality, how long will it take the people who have thrived on the struggle to catch up with the truth? How long will it take for society as a whole to say, "Well done, we have equality..."?

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Its an interesting point,

Its an interesting point, Fremen. Another way of paraphrasing this would be:

When do victims stop being victims?

They (women's movement) is just like a government entity that uses up all of its funding to justify more funding down the road. For if they don't, some might think they no longer need it. That is why you find the majority of domestic violence shelters being filled up with the homeless, instead of DV victims.

This speaks for all government programs that operate this way. When is enough, E-N-O-U-G-H?

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When is enough, E-N-O-U-G-H?

How about never! It simply would take the wind out of the sails for those who love to pontificate about injustice and then ask for funding to support their special interests and/or social causes! Damn affirmative action would end and then the likes of Obama would have to get a fucking job to pay for their education! Imagine how unjust that would be to actually have some real world work experience to lend to your decision processes when in a role of leadership.
It simply isn't the direction all the do gooders and bleeding hearts are traveling.

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Dude, why don't you say what

Dude, why don't you say what you really mean?
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How about never! It simply would take the wind out of the sails for those who love to pontificate about injustice and then ask for funding to support their special interests and/or social causes! Damn affirmative action would end and then the likes of Obama would have to get a fucking job to pay for their education! Imagine how unjust that would be to actually have some real world work experience to lend to your decision processes when in a role of leadership.
It simply isn't the direction all the do gooders and bleeding hearts are traveling.

Geez. And here i thought that I was THE resident asshole.... Y'know, .. the one that would say what everybody else was thinking anyway.....

I guess that I'll have to move over!

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I thought I was pretty

Rasta Mon I thought I was pretty candid in my post. I don't believe in sugar coating shit just to make it more palatable or easier to swallow.

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I have been and will always

I have been and will always be a proponent of equal pay for equal work - no exceptions!
The issue i have is when their is special consideration for the weaker gender when they want to do a job that they are not physically suited for but expect the same pay.
Case in point: the local fire department is forced to have a quota of firewomen, but do to their physical deficiency they are given a less demanding physical exam to qualify for the same positions their male counterparts must pass. Then they are typically assigned to the less dangerous jobs (actually fighting the fires inside a building) but they get the same pay rate and of course even an opportunity to advance in rank quicker than their males counterparts. That is not what I call equal pay for equal work! This is not fair, just or even reasonable IMO.
What unfortunatley happens is that in an attempt to correct actual injustices in the practice of employment and pay we have had to redefine the world equal as anything but equal! I call bullshit on that.
Let me stay home and enjoy the benefits of raising the children while the wife goes out and busts her chops to bring home the bacon!
I believe in androgyny as an alternative and more realistic approach to life's natural inequities!

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Really. I'd LOVE to have my

Really.

I'd LOVE to have my door opened for me and have women fight for my attentions as they protect and provide for me. That WOULD be eqaulity, wouldn't it? Let's get a gender-feminist on here to answer this, and by that I don't mean Lynn.

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We have an equality problem

We have an equality problem here too even though it is not admitted, I do remember one time been in a job and a man who was doing the same job was on €6k more PA, I soon left that job, but it is a problem in many jobs here.

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The pay issue is as old as

The pay issue is as old as the rocks - but here we have made some gains. Unfortunately it has been somewhat one sided. Having been in the medical field I quickly discovered that males where typically given the over weight patients because we were stronger. Try and get a female staff to lend a hand when lifting or turning a patient! But then when they needed assistance it was a different story altogether. I didn't receive extra pay for the heavy lifting so I would often be too busy to help the ladies out, but certainly would suggest they seek another lady for help!

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In 2007, women accounted for

In 2007, women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations. They outnumbered men in such occupations as financial managers, human resource managers, education administrators, medical and health services managers, and accountants and auditors.

In 1970, the median usual weekly earnings for women working full-time was only 62.1 percent of those for men; by 2007, the raw wage gap had shrunk from 37.9 percent to just 21.5 percent.

However, despite these gains the raw wage gap continues to be used in misleading ways to advance public policy agendas without fully explaining the reasons behind the gap. The purpose of this report is to identify the reasons that explain the wage gap in order to more fully inform policymakers and the public.

The complete report may be found here.

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I think the wage gap between

I think the wage gap between men and women is getting narrowed day by day and i am sure that in coming years this gap will be filled.This disparity in wage is more in developing countries where the women work equally hard as men but manage to get 20-30% wage this is true in case of unskilled categories.

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I'm curious to see what will

I'm curious to see what will happen with wages as the dollar finds new relative value in the coming years. I imagine that it will have less to do with gender and more to do with sex...

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I certainly hope sex gets

I certainly hope sex gets cheaper! Laughing out loud

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This leads to an interesting

This leads to an interesting point, what about equal pay for equal work? What I mean is when are they going to stop having a lower minimum requirement for the job for one sex while having a higher level for the other?

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According to this government

According to this government report, the gap is no longer there. In other words, its non-existent. As for other countries, I would think that's not the case, but the report does list parity in Ireland as well, which makes me wonder how much of this is still a myth vs. actual truth here.

The report also lists why parity is equal, and a big part of that is having to do with health care costs for women which far exceed that of men, who wind up with the tab. There are other factors as well, such as choices.

You read it and let me know your thoughts.

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Yep it is really a

Yep it is really a situational decision. I would tattoo a young ladies firm breast for free, but the old sagging tits would have to pay!

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When is enough, E-N-O-U-G-H?

How about never! It simply would take the wind out of the sails for those who love to pontificate about injustice and then ask for funding to support their special interests and/or social causes! Damn affirmative action would end and then the likes of Obama would have to get a fucking job to pay for their education! Imagine how unjust that would be to actually have some real world work experience to lend to your decision processes when in a role of leadership.
It simply isn't the direction all the do gooders and bleeding hearts are traveling.

What is the black unemployment rate again?

While I am not a fan of affirmative action in the way it is portrayed in the right-wing media especially, there is still inequality in this society, especially socioeconomically. How we choose to address it is an issue that is up for debate though.

Again, I must address you as a self-proclaimed capitalist. When there is a government, there is fiscal policy. As a capitalist and I assume a fiscal conservative, you would think it best for the government to allocate its funds where they are most effectively spent, in both spending and tax cuts. Whether you agree with Obama or not, it would have been a waste for him to not be educated. In cases such as his, the payoffs are greater to society than the initial investment. The type of human capital Obama has is one that society can benefit from, and I think we can all agree if he wasn't a lawyer and politician, he would still have the capabilities to be an adept rocket scientist or surgeon.

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This leads to an interesting point, what about equal pay for equal work? What I mean is when are they going to stop having a lower minimum requirement for the job for one sex while having a higher level for the other?

There is not a lower minimum job requirement for one sex as opposed to the other. There are bona fide job requirements, which are completely legal, stating the job requirements as they are, regardless of how difficult they may be for one sex.

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This leads to an interesting point, what about equal pay for equal work? What I mean is when are they going to stop having a lower minimum requirement for the job for one sex while having a higher level for the other?

There is not a lower minimum job requirement for one sex as opposed to the other. There are bona fide job requirements, which are completely legal, stating the job requirements as they are, regardless of how difficult they may be for one sex.


Oh yes there is, for example -

  • Military
  • Law Enforcement
  • Fire Fighters

There's a number of them. When I was in the Marines it was pathetic, there were Women that could adhere to the same standards as the men but there were also a large number of them that could not. This was an insult to those that could and allowed sub standard Women to advance.

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Uhhh... Jessica.

Did you EVEN read the flagship article before playing the victim card? Here's what it had to say:

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In 2007, women accounted for 51 percent of all workers in the high-paying management, professional, and related occupations. They outnumbered men in such occupations as financial managers, human resource managers, education administrators, medical and health services managers, and accountants and auditors.

Where's the problem? You tell me.

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When is enough, E-N-O-U-G-H?

How about never! It simply would take the wind out of the sails for those who love to pontificate about injustice and then ask for funding to support their special interests and/or social causes! Damn affirmative action would end and then the likes of Obama would have to get a fucking job to pay for their education! Imagine how unjust that would be to actually have some real world work experience to lend to your decision processes when in a role of leadership.
It simply isn't the direction all the do gooders and bleeding hearts are traveling.

What is the black unemployment rate again?

While I am not a fan of affirmative action in the way it is portrayed in the right-wing media especially, there is still inequality in this society, especially socioeconomically. How we choose to address it is an issue that is up for debate though.

Again, I must address you as a self-proclaimed capitalist. When there is a government, there is fiscal policy. As a capitalist and I assume a fiscal conservative, you would think it best for the government to allocate its funds where they are most effectively spent, in both spending and tax cuts. Whether you agree with Obama or not, it would have been a waste for him to not be educated. In cases such as his, the payoffs are greater to society than the initial investment. The type of human capital Obama has is one that society can benefit from, and I think we can all agree if he wasn't a lawyer and politician, he would still have the capabilities to be an adept rocket scientist or surgeon.


Are you an Objectivist? Just curious. The virtue of education is strong, but I see a tendency here to exalt the 'educated' and that makes me uncomfortable. Society, if it is inclusive, seeks to benefit from the diversity of the participants with no hierarchy present. If exclusive, well, whoever is the 'hier' makes the rules and to that I am adverse.
How can a society full of individual hierarchy and internal personal judgement try to make up for its nature through programs that merely exacerbate the issue? The nature of reality is that we become what we resist. The purpose? To raise consciousness to a level of understanding that we can move on beyond our limitations that create the status-quo. We can not compensate with programs any more than an aspirin cures heart disease.
Obama is a fine prime minister, but as a president, I think he lacks perspective.

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Re: Men V Women Wage Gap???

In the end, it is a person's ABILITY to rise above what life challenges that are thrown at them that defines them, no matter what the politics are. Just look at Nelson Mandela, one of my personal heroes. Mahammad Ali and Joe Frazier would be others to derive inspiration from. They made life look at them as just more than being a "minority".

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In our olden days there is a huge difference between men and women wages.One reason is men is physically sound than women.

But now that difference is somewhat reduced. I think salary based there is no difference. But wage based there is a difference still.

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In the end, it is a person's ABILITY to rise above what life challenges that are thrown at them that defines them, no matter what the politics are. Just look at Nelson Mandela, one of my personal heroes. Mahammad Ali and Joe Frazier would be others to derive inspiration from. They made life look at them as just more than being a "minority".

 

 

Ability? Doubt that, seems it is still alot about who you know.

 

so let me get this right, you paste a report from 2 years ago that draws statistics from a very small select group of careers and call that proof that the playing field is now equal? Really?!!  Typical herd bias, see it for what it really is.

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That Department of Labor report has a date of January 12th, 2009 and lists MANY of the variables to be considered. The date was listed in the first paragragh.

 

Why not try reading what was posted first before spewing your biased venom? No, No, No!

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Well jessicaK all I can say is that the ssue is not one of wasting potential talents. Obama is as you can see a product of no real experience! He as a result of being a mionority was fortunate in that he didn't have to work to obtain an education. He has no real world connection to capitalism. His policies and decisons will forever change this world and the economics you will have to live with. Enjoy.

I would rather have a man or lady who knows what productivity and hard work is running my nation, especially during difficult times as we are experiencing. We need leadership not idealism at this point in time. Obama simply isn't up to the task. I rest my case.

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Very good Fremen!

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That Department of Labor report has a date of January 12th, 2009 and lists MANY of the variables to be considered. The date was listed in the first paragragh.

 

Why not try reading what was posted first before spewing your biased venom? No, No, No!

Actually I did read it, and it is based on information that only went to 2007. Had you read it you would have known that. I don't care when it was published that was the timespan the data came from that made the basis for the report.  The many variables were not all that many and was made up of things that went beyond employment type. The world now is not like it was during the timespan in question. That cannot be denied. Certainly looks to me from the graph that theres quite a distance in earnings that appear to be consistantly under male earnings even with the nifty percentage line.

Call me biased if you want, I prefer the term critical thinker. Wheres the convergance exactly??  Oh wait it is equal because it went up some? Gee I don't know could that have happened from an increase in female population entering the statitical areas in question?

I didn't come here to argue with you or your opinion. I simply made my observation and you are entitled to disagree. I'm sure others might think about it differently. Maybe the question should be why would the department of Labor wants us to think all things are equal when by the data persented to them is not in fact reflecting this??? I know spin when I see it. The timing didn't escape me either.

Think about that Mysandrist, could it be to possibly drive down wage levels acrossed the board?? It's not like theres a employment crisis going on right now or anything like that. After all to consider all earners equal then a going rate for a wage can be easily determined can't it. Ever compute an average??  See a newspaper want ad recently?  Notice the pay rates offered have decreased? And as the wages drop what happens to high earners huh?  Is that good news for men really?

Smoke and mirrors folks, don't miss the deeper implications, I doubt the report was meant as a hurray for gender discrimination strides. 

 

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Fair enough. Surely then, you will most likely be offended by the ten-twenty year old data, "facts" and figures used by the gender feminists to support their cause then. That report was a report on the latest trends over the last 40 years and it does not bode well for white males.

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Think about that Mysandrist, could it be to possibly drive down wage
levels acrossed the board?? It's not like theres a employment crisis
going on right now or anything like that. After all to consider all
earners equal then a going rate for a wage can be easily determined
can't it. Ever compute an average??  See a newspaper want ad recently? 
Notice the pay rates offered have decreased? And as the wages drop what
happens to high earners huh?  Is that good news for men really?

I have thought about it. The truth is that it is a complex issue. Of course that is true. But, within these complexities, during this time period, white men have earned less, and women have earned more, consistantly. Women also continue to cost more to maintain when it comes to health insurance and family issues. The report spells that out. It also spells out that many good men have lost their positions to the global economy, yet they continue to lack the support that women have gained and enjoy. Men also pay into this system that supports their demise.

I would like an even playing field. You know, one where women shoot from the same golf tees as men. People generally get paid today based upon performance, their worth to the company and what they negotiate, regardless of gender, yet the gender feminists are stlll spewing their lies about how men make more when they obviously don't. And when they do make less, it's their own damn fault, just as like it is when men make less, which also happens.

True equality means true equality. That means accepting the responsibilities that come with it. What little entitlements men enjoy, .... are earned. I wish I could say the same for women.

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 during this time period, white men have earned less, 

True equality means true equality. That means accepting the responsibilities that come with it.

 

 Very astute observation, and it isn't going to get better with the economy like it is right now. In fact it will get way worse.  I worry for my own son and feel he might fare better acossed the board if he had a more ethnic surname. Responsibility belongs to the responsible, and no matter how you slice it things aren't always going to be equal or fair. Last thing anyone needs is to try to make their way in a system that is already slanted. Sadly will it be level when we are all broke and broken??

 

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Most likely true. I am the new minority in this country and I ask for no handouts. I am an older white male.

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