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N.Y. health care workers protest mandatory H1N1 flu shots

By Cara Matthews, Gannett News Service

ALBANY — Several hundred health-care workers, civil libertarians and members of anti-vaccine groups on Tuesday railed against a mandate that medical professionals get seasonal and swine-flu vaccines.

But the state health commissioner said their arguments are baseless.

Nurses and other health-care workers said they shouldn't be forced to get a vaccine that they don't believe has been tested appropriately as a condition of keeping their jobs.

"There's no proof this vaccine will protect us from swine flu or protect us from spreading it to others," said Sue Field of Poughkeepsie, a registered nurse who works in a hospital maternity ward and a primary organizer of the rally.

Field, who declined to name her employer, said there are other things health-care workers can do to help prevent patients from getting sick, such as not allowing them to have visitors with contagious illnesses.

But Dr. Richard Daines, state health commissioner, disputed that, telling reporters that the seasonal flu and H1N1 vaccines are safe and vaccination is the most effective way to prevent the flu. He criticized anti-vaccine groups for protesting the H1N1 shots.

"This isn't the time to pump air into a completely deflated argument about vaccine safety," he said.

The state Hospital Review and Planning Council unanimously approved a requirement that health-care workers in hospitals, outpatient clinics and home-care programs receive seasonal and H1N1 flu vaccines by Nov. 30, unless they have medical reasons why they cannot. Legislation to apply the same standard to nursing-home workers has been proposed.

Years of voluntary vaccines for flu led to vaccination levels of between 30% and 50% of health-care workers, which is not high enough to provide herd immunity — protection to the remaining unvaccinated population, Daines said.

It's up to the institutions to decide how to comply and what actions to take for employees who do not. Health-care workers are "going to come around on this," he said.

"I know nurses and doctors too well. I've never seen them walk away from a patient problem," he said.

Historically, there is one flu outbreak season each year, with about 2,000 deaths in New York and 36,000 nationwide, Daines said. Because of H1N1, there will likely be three outbreaks this year, he said.

Other groups representing health-care workers oppose the mandatory vaccinations, although they were not connected with the rally.

The state Nurses Association encourages nurses to get immunized but doesn't think that should be a condition of employment, spokesman Mark Genovese said. Not all institutions are requiring the vaccine, he said.

The association disputed the accuracy of the rally organizers' message, Genovese said. Its members have been in discussions with state officials.

The Public Employees Federation, which represents health-care workers, wants the regulation reversed, union President Ken Brynien said in a statement. There are reports that some employees at institutions where vaccines are mandated have retired or been fired because they refuse to get it, he said.

"No other state mandates vaccination for influenza, nor has the federal government done so. New York health care workers should not be used to test an unproven policy," he said.

The Healthcare Association of New York State anticipates that the vast majority of health-care professionals who are required to get the vaccine will, said William Van Slyke, a spokesman for the group.

Outside the Capitol Tuesday, protesters held hand-made signs with sayings like, "We're not lab rats," and "No flu shot, no job?" Groups like the Autism Action Network, which said it plans to sue the state on the issue, and the Campaign for Liberty helped organize the protest.

Deborah Gerhardt, a 37-year-old registered nurse from Walworth, Wayne County, said deciding whether to get an injection should be a personal choice. Just because the FDA approved the H1N1 vaccine "doesn't mean it's safe in my book," she said.

"Where is this so-called emergency situation that is wreaking havoc?" asked Gerhardt, who works at Brighton Surgery Center and Rochester General Hospital.

"The real havoc is New York state is taking our jobs away for no reason at all," she said.

Cherryl Robbins, a patient-care technician from Staatsburg, Dutchess County, said that in troubled economic times, it is hard to understand why health-care workers are forced to choose between what they think is right for their bodies and what they do for a living. She is 22 weeks pregnant with her first child.

"Up until this year, the choice to forego the vaccine has been there for me," said Robbins, 33. "This year, at a time when I'm pregnant with my first child, and I feel more responsibility for what I put in my body than at any other point in my life, that choice has been taken away from me."

Barbara Jones of Wallkill, Ulster County, said she has never gotten a flu vaccine and has been a registered nurse since 1985. There is an implication that if health-care workers don't get the vaccine, they don't care about their patients. That couldn't be further from the truth, she said.

"I think people should have the right to get it or to opt out of it," said Jones, 47.

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It appears that in the state of NY government health care has already passed. It blows my mind that just last spring we were all told not to worry because this virus was mild and now a few months later there has to be mandatory vaccinations.

I took my son for a suture removal yesterday and asked the doctor his opinion on this, he said you know what when people come in with suspected flu they don't even test for H1N1 anymore, this puzzles me, then whats all the build up for an epidemic that the state don't even test for?

This is so wrong, hanging someones job on the line,- eat and have a job- or defend your rights to medical privacy and freedom of choice. Meanwhile GlaxoSmithKline will have a banner year for sales.

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And if someone played the religious reasons card, things will get even more complicated. I do seriously think people that work in healthcare should be up to date on all vaccines for obvious reasons, but everything else? No.

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Doesn't it make you a little leary when health professionals are even saying they are not willing to be vaccinated against the H1N1 virus?  I was sitting next to a nurse at work the other day and she said there was no way she was getting the shot. 

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I think what is interesting is the CDC no longer tests individuals to track the progression of this pandemic, yet it is a mandatory requirment. But no one really knows that for sure.  Sure you have the choice, if you don't want to do it you can just quit your job, sounds fair enough. The beauty of employment at will.

I think my problem is once it is deemed as justifiable in one case, it will be very difficult to change the direction of those wheels in the future. The argument that it is to protect the majority goes right back to the issues on mandated healthcare. Would you feel the same if it was ordered for teachers and resturant workers? How about if the government came and said that there are to many children in the country therefore everyone in this birthday range has to be castrated? Would that be okay too, after all it would be to protect all those already in the population right, same arguement different solution. Sorta like the chinese did limiting births... oh yea the chinese, makes sense, aren't they the ones that own us all now?

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Its very strange that if the personn will not be vaccinated then he will loose his job,so if the persons needs to be vaccinated then he should do it better.

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Vaccination should remain an individual choice option.  I personally refuse to take them anymore, I am willing to take my chances with dying from influenza.  Something still doesn't smell kosher about H1N1/Swine flu - not sure why all the confusion and fear over what is being currently identified as not all that virulent a strain? 

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AstuteObserver wrote:

Vaccination should remain an individual choice option.  I personally refuse to take them anymore, I am willing to take my chances with dying from influenza.  Something still doesn't smell kosher about H1N1/Swine flu - not sure why all the confusion and fear over what is being currently identified as not all that virulent a strain? 

 

 

I absolutely agree that vaccinations should remain a
personal choice, and that includes health care professionals when it comes to a vaccine that is still so new. 

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I think that vaccinations do more bad than good. The vaccinations wont help you resist against the swine flu, it only shortens the days you have the flu.

What about Mercury and other harmfull chemicals thats in Tamiflu? It never leaves your body and it can cause diseases such as autism!

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There's some that I do believe in getting, that's for the really nasty stuff like Small Pox, Polio, Hep, Malaria, Typhoid, etc.  But for the most part I avoid them like the flue.  My personal believe is your immune system needs to naturally build up itself up and like anything, brain, muscles, etc they need a work out to stay strong.

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I took my son for a suture removal yesterday and asked the doctor his
opinion on this, he said you know what when people come in with
suspected flu they don't even test for H1N1 anymore, this puzzles me,
then whats all the build up for an epidemic that the state don't even
test for?

 

My understanding is that since the "normal" flu is seasonal, they test people for the flu virus. If it is present they assume it to be H1N1 during this part of the year. I get flu shots every year and plan to get the H1N1 when it becomes available. I don't see what the fuss is about.

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AstuteObserver wrote:

Vaccination should remain an individual choice option.  I personally refuse to take them anymore, I am willing to take my chances with dying from influenza.  Something still doesn't smell kosher about H1N1/Swine flu - not sure why all the confusion and fear over what is being currently identified as not all that virulent a strain? 

Not to mention that it came out in the same year as the illness. Also, people did say that pigs would fly if a black man got elected president, what happens next? Swine flu, I call conspiracy.

People need to grow up, it's just the flu. Eat some chicken soup, stay in bed, get over it.

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Boanerges wrote:

I took my son for a suture removal yesterday and asked the doctor his opinion on this, he said you know what when people come in with suspected flu they don't even test for H1N1 anymore, this puzzles me, then whats all the build up for an epidemic that the state don't even test for?

 

My understanding is that since the "normal" flu is seasonal, they test people for the flu virus. If it is present they assume it to be H1N1 during this part of the year. I get flu shots every year and plan to get the H1N1 when it becomes available. I don't see what the fuss is about.

 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081008080922AAhrUij

"The Sanctity of Human Blood" by Timothy O'Shea. It is a very good book and very well written.

The flu shot have these constituents in it and it ends up in YOUR bloodstream?

* Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)

* Phenol, also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant, dye)

* Formaldehyde, a known cancer-causing agent

* Aluminum, which is associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures and also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)

* Thimerosal (a mercury disinfectant/preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease

* Neomycin and Streptomycin (used as antibiotics) have caused allergic reaction in some people.

Vaccines are also grown and strained through animal or human tissue like monkey kidney tissue, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells, calf serum, and human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted human fetuses as in the case of rubella, hepatitis A, and chickenpox vaccines).

Well, I refuse to put all of the above in my body, and I hope when your doctor starts telling you it's time for your annual flu shot that you'll require him to defend the annual injection. You or your insurance company's probably paying eighty bucks for a visit, so get your money's worth.

Have your doctor read you the insert that comes with the vaccine.

I have NOT had the flu, a cold, or allergies like I used to in 5 years now and that was after I started taking care of my immune system and eating a good diet. I would not and do not get a flu shot and NEVER recommend ANYONE get a flu shot, ever!

good luck to you

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I'm really on the fence with this one. I'm a big believer in individual rights where medicine is concerned. Except for a few of the childhood vaccinations, I don't think anything should be mandatory. At the same time, hospital workers have an extra obligation simply because of their jobs. It's inherent in their jobs to make sure that they are healthy. So, on the fence.

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