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PBS is Down - Is This Why?

Just went to PBS to view Bill Moyers explosive report of two days ago:

Curiously, I can't access this interview as PBS.ORG is down.....

Economist: US collapse driven by 'fraud,' Geithner covering up bank
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"A single bank, IndyMac, lost more money than the entire Savings and Loan Crisis," reported PBS. "The difference between now and then, explains Black, is a drastic reduction in regulation and oversight, 'We now know what happens when you destroy regulation. You get the biggest financial calamity of anybody under the age of 80.'"

That financial calamity, he explained, was brought about not by mishap or accident, but only after a concerted effort to undermine and remove all regulations, allowing a creditor free-for-all that hinged on fraudulent risk ratings for bad loans.

"[T]he way that you do it is to make really bad loans, because they pay better," he told Moyers. "Then you grow extremely rapidly, in other words, you're a Ponzi-like scheme. And the third thing you do is we call it leverage. That just means borrowing a lot of money, and the combination creates a situation where you have guaranteed record profits in the early years. That makes you rich, through the bonuses that modern executive compensation has produced. It also makes it inevitable that there's going to be a disaster down the road.

"...This stuff, the exotic stuff that you're talking about was created out of things like liars' loans, that were known to be extraordinarily bad," he continued. "And now it was getting triple-A ratings. Now a triple-A rating is supposed to mean there is zero credit risk. So you take something that not only has significant, it has crushing risk. That's why it's toxic. And you create this fiction that it has zero risk. That itself, of course, is a fraudulent exercise. And again, there was nobody looking, during the Bush years. So finally, only a year ago, we started to have a Congressional investigation of some of these rating agencies, and it's scandalous what came out. What we know now is that the rating agencies never looked at a single loan file. When they finally did look, after the markets had completely collapsed, they found, and I'm quoting Fitch, the smallest of the rating agencies, "the results were disconcerting, in that there was the appearance of fraud in nearly every file we examined."

He equated the entire US financial system to a giant "ponzi scheme" and charged Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, like Secretary Henry Paulson before him, of "covering up" the truth.

"Are you saying that Timothy Geithner, the Secretary of the Treasury, and others in the administration, with the banks, are engaged in a cover up to keep us from knowing what went wrong?" asked Moyers.

"Absolutely, because they are scared to death," he said. "All right? They're scared to death of a collapse. They're afraid that if they admit the truth, that many of the large banks are insolvent. They think Americans are a bunch of cowards, and that we'll run screaming to the exits. And we won't rely on deposit insurance. And, by the way, you can rely on deposit insurance. And it's foolishness. All right? Now, it may be worse than that. You can impute more cynical motives. But I think they are sincerely just panicked about, 'We just can't let the big banks fail.' That's wrong."

Here's the Link To The PBS Story...

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Right on, MF - good post.

Right on, MF - good post. B1rd just put this up 'over there'. The thing is, we have transparency whether the administration wants it or not. The 'change' we wanted had a lot to do with transparency and we expected it from the source, but that obviously isn't happening here.
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He did?? That's not like

He did?? Homer Peeking

That's not like him! Brain Fart!

The PBS link to this story does not work still. In fact, the entire site is down.

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MF wrote: The PBS link to

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The PBS link to this story does not work still. In fact, the entire site is down.

Check this one out.

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Yeah.... That's where my

Yeah.... That's where my active link above leads to. But when I went to view Moyer's interview, the site was down....

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He did?? Homer Peeking

That's not like him! Brain Fart!

The PBS link to this story does not work still. In fact, the entire site is down.


My guess is the site is getting slammed with people referring to it. Obama is going to have to do something and real soon, people are getting really pissed. That goes both for people who voted for him and against him Zoolander Magnum Steel

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People are pissed, more so

People are pissed, more so now as it begins to hit the pockets on both ends of the political spectrum and all of those caught in the middle ground too!

When a limp dick like Bill Moyers starts talking about it you know shit is getting pretty odoriferous! He I am sure is concerned about losing funding for PBS IMO the bastion of far left reporting.

Now if you do the research this ponzi scheme involving the financial institutions goes much further back than that Alfred E. Newman impostor G.W. Bush. There is plenty of blame and dishonesty to go around.

I say let it all collapse and let the chips fall as they may. The real agenda is to drive the world into a collective crisis and then to establish the "New World Order". One world government controlled by the elitists who manage to regather Salomon's wealth. The rest of us will be useful only as indentured servants who stand in line with our hands out for the crumbs of subsistence. Free thought, freedom and liberty will be a brief entry into the books of history and even those will not be available to the masses.

Let the good times roll before Fascism becomes the form of global governance.

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People are pissed, more so now as it begins to hit the pockets on both ends of the political spectrum and all of those caught in the middle ground too!

When a limp dick like Bill Moyers starts talking about it you know shit is getting pretty odoriferous! He I am sure is concerned about losing funding for PBS IMO the bastion of far left reporting.

Now if you do the research this ponzi scheme involving the financial institutions goes much further back than that Alfred E. Newman impostor G.W. Bush. There is plenty of blame and dishonesty to go around.

I say let it all collapse and let the chips fall as they may. The real agenda is to drive the world into a collective crisis and then to establish the "New World Order". One world government controlled by the elitists who manage to regather Salomon's wealth. The rest of us will be useful only as indentured servants who stand in line with our hands out for the crumbs of subsistence. Free thought, freedom and liberty will be a brief entry into the books of history and even those will not be available to the masses.

Let the good times roll before Fascism becomes the form of global governance.


Well said, addition I have is to do some research on Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholarship Foundation. That and also Carroll Quigley's writings like "The Tragedy and the Hope. Eye-wink

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Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholarship Foundation. That and also Carroll Quigley's writings like "The Tragedy and the Hope.

I am familiar with Cecil Rhodes and his foundation, the recent post was a nice refresher course. It has been a long time since reading Quigley and I should revisit him.

Something just hit me about these two fellows - their first names! I find myself wondering if they were recipients of jokes about their names growing up - that would explain much about their perspectives.

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Cecil Rhodes and the Rhodes Scholarship Foundation. That and also Carroll Quigley's writings like "The Tragedy and the Hope.

I am familiar with Cecil Rhodes and his foundation, the recent post was a nice refresher course. It has been a long time since reading Quigley and I should revisit him.

Something just hit me about these two fellows - their first names! I find myself wondering if they were recipients of jokes about their names growing up - that would explain much about their perspectives.


I'm sure they were Rolling on the floor laughing Zoolander Magnum Steel Rolling on the floor laughing

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I wouldn't call Moyers a

I wouldn't call Moyers a limp dick by any stretch. He HAS come up with a lot of good material and has a propensity to NOT sellout to the corps. out there.

I protest!

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I, too, am more fond of

I, too, am more fond of Moyers, but if AO calls him a limp-dick, who am I to argue - maybe he knows something I don't...

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AO???? Now give

AO???? Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Now give yourself some credit here, brutha!

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The site is back up,

The site is back up, excellent piece. Here are some excerpts from it


  • BILL MOYERS: To hear you say this is unusual because you supported Barack Obama, during the campaign. But you're seeming disillusioned now
  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: Well, certainly in the financial sphere, I am. I think, first, the policies are substantively bad. Second, I think they completely lack integrity. Third, they violate the rule of law. This is being done just like Secretary Paulson did it. In violation of the law. We adopted a law after the Savings and Loan crisis, called the Prompt Corrective Action Law. And it requires them to close these institutions. And they're refusing to obey the law.

 

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  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: What we're doing with -- no, Treasury and both administrations. The Bush administration and now the Obama administration kept secret from us what was being done with AIG. AIG was being used secretly to bail out favored banks like UBS and like Goldman Sachs. Secretary Paulson's firm, that he had come from being CEO. It got the largest amount of money. $12.9 billion. And they didn't want us to know that. And it was only Congressional pressure, and not Congressional pressure, by the way, on Geithner, but Congressional pressure on AIG.

    Where Congress said, "We will not give you a single penny more unless we know who received the money." And, you know, when he was Treasury Secretary, Paulson created a recommendation group to tell Treasury what they ought to do with AIG. And he put Goldman Sachs on it

  • BILL MOYERS: Even though Goldman Sachs had a big vested stake.
  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive stake. And even though he had just been CEO of Goldman Sachs before becoming Treasury Secretary. Now, in most stages in American history, that would be a scandal of such proportions that he wouldn't be allowed in civilized society.
  • BILL MOYERS: Yeah, like a conflict of interest, it seems.
  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: Massive conflict of interests
  • BILL MOYERS: So, how did he get away with it
  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: I don't know whether we've lost our capability of outrage. Or whether the cover up has been so successful that people just don't have the facts to react to it.

 

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  • BILL MOYERS: It was relatively a handful of people.
  • WILLIAM K. BLACK: And their ideologies, which swept away regulation. So, in the example, regulation means that cheaters don't prosper. So, instead of being bad for capitalism, it's what saves capitalism. "Honest purveyors prosper" is what we want. And you need regulation and law enforcement to be able to do this. The tragedy of this crisis is it didn't need to happen at all

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I wouldn't call Moyers a limp dick by any stretch. He HAS come up with a lot of good material and has a propensity to NOT sellout to the corps. out there. I protest!

Your subjective protest is duly noted MF. Not sit down and shit the fuck up. Better yet bend over and kiss your over taxed ass hello! While you are there say hi to Obama as he is up all of our asses which includes yours my friend! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

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I, too, am more fond of Moyers, but if AO calls him a limp-dick, who am I to argue - maybe he knows something I don't...

It is all a matter of maintaining some objectivity where these media pundits are concerned. Next time you watch them and just before the emotionalism kicks in take a break and ask yourself - where is this asshole coming from, who is spreading butter on his bread. I believe you will begin to discover their true agendas targeted at the non-discerning audiences they spoon feed their bullshit to. Sheep I tell you a bunch of fucking Herding sheep!

Good for you Fremen, I think you're awareness and critical thinking skills are beginning to come into their own right! Isn't growth beautiful, feeling better about yourself is the by product of heightened awareness.
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And where the fuck was

And where the fuck was Moyers while all this was going on? Damn the guy is suppose to be a journalist and a reporter - how in the hell did he miss one of the biggest stories in his life? Well he was feeding at the public trough of leftist thinking - PBS! Yes, that is right he was getting his paycheck to look the other fucking way! So much for real and timely news presented on PBS.

Now I have no issue with other programing on PBS and I like the concept of informative TV without the dictatorial influence of corporate advertisers - unfortunately PBS has succumbed to the pressures of Federal funding and of course periodic campaign drives to raise money from viewers. But think about the programing they present during these drives - not hard news just really pleasing programing like Roy Orbison concerts, history of the American dream - spoon fed bullshit to make us feel good and to contribute more to the system. It honestly does not server IMO the best interest of the citizens. Where were these people during the election process, was Moyers asking the tough questions reagrding Obama and what he was all about - no fucking way. So again Moyers is a day late and for all I care a dollar short on his payments to the mortgage holders - he is a limp dick that is now waking up and trying to position himself as a real journalist! He isn't , never has been and should get the fuck off the public airwaves.

Do you really want to know how I feel about Moyers? Rolling on the floor laughing

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And just WHO does butter his bread?

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Certainly you jest?

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Good for you Fremen, I think you're awareness and critical thinking skills are beginning to come into their own right! Isn't growth beautiful, feeling better about yourself is the by product of heightened awareness.

Here now, I was implying you had Moyers in a compromising position involving a whip and ball-gag and you got nothing but nice things to say Eye-wink

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WHAT CAN I SAY OTHER THAN

WHAT CAN I SAY OTHER THAN ITS IS THE CAMILION IN ME!

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Certainly you jest?

Certainly, you avoid!

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Certainly, you avoid!

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LET ME GIVE YOU A CLUE - IT

LET ME GIVE YOU A CLUE - IT CERTAINLY IS NOT ADVERTISING DOLLARS. Eye-wink

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That's a good thing and

That's a good thing and definitely a cut above IMO.....

But, you're still avoiding here.

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But with advertising dollars

But with advertising dollars it is obvious who is backing the thought process. So from a basic public discernment function I would prefer that. If PBS was soley funded by viewers (free or open market approach) it certainly would be more palatable to me.

Much of the programing I enjoy, it is when Moyer and his ilk come on I go to channel surfing or back to the computer.

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Perhaps your attention span

Perhaps your attention span needs improvement?

Do you have any problems with this piece? What SPECIFICALLY do you have problems with?

Now, I realize that I won't find 100% agreement with anybody as this conversation testifies. But, I DO find more adherence to the TRUTH with Moyers and more in-depth coverage from his program. That's what I SPECIFICALLY like about him.

Your thoughts?

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If I ever found anyone that

If I ever found anyone that is 100% like me I would turn and run as fast as possible in the other direction. I enjoy countering thoughts and encourage them as it forces me to re-think my positions and the defenses employed for justification. Disagreement when based on factual information is healthy!

Being a right of center person I find Moyer to be more often than not far left and very subjective in his assessments and presentations. He certainly avoids countering thoughts to a huge extent, which results in anything but objective discussions. His career was not terribly successful because of this so he moved to PBS years ago to promote an extreme leftist position most of the time. Now with that said he has narrated and moderated some programing that I found interesting and informative. For example,the series on mythology with Joseph Campbell is once such program I enjoyed immensely.

It is when he ventures into the arena of politics and religion I find him to be way out there in bullshit land. He certainly is not a pillar of objectivity and avoids confronting or presenting controversy in his work. As a journalist I have absolutely no respect for him, but my discontent is not limited to him alone.

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Most People in the Media and

Most People in the Media and 99.99% of all Politicians give Whores a bad name. Dancing Girl

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Still no

Still no specifics....

C'mon, AO. You CAN do better than that. Can't you?

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No I think that pretty much sums up my position on Moyers. He really doesn't warrant further consideration. I think the guy is a limp dick and unless you can provide a suitable argument to convince me otherwise that is where I rest my case! Eye-wink

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Limp dicks don't take on the

Limp dicks don't take on the banks and funding institutions as he did here on the flagship article of this page.

The true limp dicks are the ones who don't go in depth about this as Moyers did.

Therein lies the difference.

I could personally care less if they are conservative or liberal, as long as the truth is being told.

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I throw your case out with prejudice! It doesn't have nearly enough cowbell. More Cowbell

I wonder if the corporate funding is an issue with Moyers' position on things...

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Check this out

Check this out NOW:
http://www.rejecttheherd.net/forum/ministry-truth/pbs-part-deux

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I have. Now, try to picture

I have.

Now, try to picture Moyers working in that environment having to stand up to that kind of pressure. I do like the cowbell, however! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

Read this and you'll understand.....

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One of the issues I have

One of the issues I have with Moyers is his lack of timeliness in reporting. As a journalist he is a "johnny come lately" type. Where was he on this particular issue say six months ago, three months ago or even a month ago when the financial meltdown began to become a dominant issue in the news?

His politics are one thing, but not my primary distaste for this man. His presentations of "truth" generally are biased and as a pundit funded by mostly tax dollars he fails to provide the goods. His reporting is not up to par with network or cable news, which is far from perfect regardless of the dial location, yet by and far better than what he typically provides. If he were ever to break a news story first I would certainly expire from shock!

I rest my case by stating IMO he remains a limp dick and IMHO not much of a journalist. He is better suited to narration of documentaries and should leave journalism to the journalists!

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Quote: Where was he on this

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Where was he on this particular issue say six months ago, three months ago or even a month ago when the financial meltdown began to become a dominant issue in the news?

Here...

And here....

And, especially here:

You didn't even check, did you?

I rest my case! Chop off Head

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No I didn't unfortunately I

No I didn't unfortunately I expected you to counter with anything current to support this limp dick. Eye-wink
I will concede that in October 2008 he finally got a fucking clue! Cheers Mate!

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I just witnessed an amasing

I just witnessed an amasing exchange of sense and nonsense, with all of us benefitting. Thank you, fellas Cheers Mate!
Next time you want to make a case, AO, unleash the cowbell! I'm dead serious...
On a larger scale, WTF with PBS? Is it necessary for the public to control an information source like that? I believe so - there is much more to it than news.

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AO, I'm impressed with your

AO, I'm impressed with your knowledge about "limp dicks"!

More Cowbell More Cowbell More Cowbell Cheers Mate! Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

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I just witnessed an amasing exchange of sense and nonsense, with all of us benefitting. Thank you, fellas Cheers Mate!
Next time you want to make a case, AO, unleash the cowbell! I'm dead serious...
On a larger scale, WTF with PBS? Is it necessary for the public to control an information source like that? I believe so - there is much more to it than news.

They need to take a look at the BBC model, now that's successful and a lot more objective than our commercial Media Whores we have here ya know. Happy Feet!

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I would prefer to have a BBC style broadcast system too. PBS here is less than wonderful. Although they do from time to time have some interesting programing available. I try to support my local channels during their campaign drives and have actually purchased some local original artwork during their online auctions over the years.

As far being an expert on "limp dicks" I did spend several years doing physicals in military & civilian clinics and then of course there is my experience watching network and cable news pundits and none of them give me a Woody! Cheers Mate!

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I would prefer to have a BBC style broadcast system too. PBS here is less than wonderful. Although they do from time to time have some interesting programing available. I try to support my local channels during their campaign drives and have actually purchased some local original artwork during their online auctions over the years.

As far being an expert on "limp dicks" I did spend several years doing physicals in military & civilian clinics and then of course there is my experience watching network and cable news pundits and none of them give me a Woody! :cheers:


Back in the 90's PBS had a great couple of pieces on Clinton and Whitewater/Mena Arkansas. They built a good solid case against Clinton and Tyson, the deaths surrounding him, Clinton using the Arkansas Highway patrol to guard Tyson's shipments of Blow coming in from Tyson's ranch in Columbia. Well that is until Janet Reno shut them down, excellent expose on "Slicks" dirty dealings. All this on PBS, good solid facts, evidence, testimonies from Agents, etc. So they do have their moments Eye-wink

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The problem I seem to have

The problem I seem to have of late with PBS is the lack of new programing content. That holds true with cable and network programing also. I bought a new large flat screen and had Direct TV installed thinking I might actually get some interesting content - what a waste of money!

I find reading books satisfy my entertainment needs best of all. I even have lost interest in watching sporting events lately. Just tired of all the spoiled brats earning way too much and not delivering the goods like they used to.

I guess I am just getting older and more jaded in my attitudes. What I really look forward to is just going fishing where nobody else goes, taking in the solitude and beauty of nature while pondering and musing about life and its purpose.

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The problem I seem to have of late with PBS is the lack of new programing content. That holds true with cable and network programing also. I bought a new large flat screen and had Direct TV installed thinking I might actually get some interesting content - what a waste of money!

I find reading books satisfy my entertainment needs best of all. I even have lost interest in watching sporting events lately. Just tired of all the spoiled brats earning way too much and not delivering the goods like they used to.

I guess I am just getting older and more jaded in my attitudes. What I really look forward to is just going fishing where nobody else goes, taking in the solitude and beauty of nature while pondering and musing about life and its purpose.


Me I don't do broadcast media any longer. I've got somewhere around an 800+ DVD collection, makes more sense spending $30-$50 a month on buying DVD's than $100+ a month for shit reality shows, banner and in your face ads telling you your life isn't complete without _______. I love my 55" HD TV in full HD-DVD and Blu-ray glory Cool

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The problem I seem to have of late with PBS is the lack of new programing content.

That's funny, but the reason WHY I watch them is that they tend to go much more in-depth about issues than anyone else. In other words, their stories are much more than 30 second sounds bites parroting the obvious corporate lines. I'd highly urge you give them a second shot, AO.

But, I highly doubt that you'll take me up on that suggestion. Laughing out loud

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The problem I seem to have of late with PBS is the lack of new programing content.

That's funny, but the reason WHY I watch them is that they tend to go much more in-depth about issues than anyone else. In other words, their stories are much more than 30 second sounds bites parroting the obvious corporate lines. I'd highly urge you give them a second shot, AO.

But, I highly doubt that you'll take me up on that suggestion. :D


Just like any news source and commentary, keep an open mind, at least make an effort to check the source and make up your own minds.

But then again if people thought like that we wouldn't have Party Hacks that Parrot the Party Propaganda like the "Birdman" (ironic isn't it Rolling on the floor laughing) and whack jobs like Wingnut from the cesspool
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