Mining moon's soil

Yeaahhh... So let's spend billions in dollars and irreplaceable resources to mine the moon. Sounds great to me.

Why would we consider this when we have abundant expendable clean, green energies that we can collect on our earth?

Mysandrist Fool wrote:

Why would we consider this when we have abundant expendable clean, green energies that we can collect on our earth?

Actually what I find useful for this is that we can build a colony there, they've also found ice on the moon. This is an excellent discovery since having a colony there will then give us the ability to then put a base out into the Asteroid Belt, why is this important? This is the first step towards reaching out to further explore then colonize other planets and what not.

Pagan wrote:

Mysandrist Fool wrote:

Why would we consider this when we have abundant expendable clean, green energies that we can collect on our earth?

Actually what I find useful for this is that we can build a colony there, they've also found ice on the moon. This is an excellent discovery since having a colony there will then give us the ability to then put a base out into the Asteroid Belt, why is this important? This is the first step towards reaching out to further explore then colonize other planets and what not.

I find this both compelling and alarming. We haven't really shown that we can responsibly inhabit any environment, have we? Expansion is unnecessary to human development, indigenous cultures are proof of that.

Who's to say that even the people of Rapa Nui weren't fully developed or actualised? I guess it depends on what you value...

...Ignored in the global debate are Indigenous cultures that have survived and thrived over uncountable generations of ice ages, extensive droughts and floods, and catastrophic fires – while many so-called civilisations have collapsed. This is because native peoples have a proven record of adaptive resilience to environmental change. In North America we call native adaptability ‘Indiangenuity’. It is something the West desperately needs. It is a local, bottom-up process of adapting to the changing environment.
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES PRESENTLY occupy 22% of the Earth’s land surface, steward 80% of remaining biodiversity, and comprise 90% of cultural diversity. These biological riches are still there because native cultures have exercised restraint in harvesting and reciprocity in caring for the resources that sustain life...
THE RIO CONVENTION on Biological Diversity affirmed that Indigenous cultures protect biodiversity and should be compensated for their sustainable practices. But the US-dominated Uruguay round of GATT in the same year effectively shut out Indigenous peoples from any protection or compensation. In the meantime the world is losing viable Indigenous cultures that are the stewards of genetic diversity and a source of wisdom to mitigate climate change. These Indigenous communities have proven capability for sustainable agroecology and agroforestry – something the world needs as an alternative to unsustainable and unaffordable modern agribusiness.

It's all relative, isn't it?
Come on, thou doest protest too much. My point is that there are examples of cultures as defined by groups of indigenous peoples with distinct lifeways, that have remained vibrant and actualised without expansion and technocracy.

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...Ignored in the global debate are Indigenous cultures that have survived and thrived over uncountable generations of ice ages, extensive droughts and floods, and catastrophic fires – while many so-called civilisations have collapsed. This is because native peoples have a proven record of adaptive resilience to environmental change. In North America we call native adaptability ‘Indiangenuity’. It is something the West desperately needs. It is a local, bottom-up process of adapting to the changing environment.
INDIGENOUS PEOPLES PRESENTLY occupy 22% of the Earth’s land surface, steward 80% of remaining biodiversity, and comprise 90% of cultural diversity. These biological riches are still there because native cultures have exercised restraint in harvesting and reciprocity in caring for the resources that sustain life...
THE RIO CONVENTION on Biological Diversity affirmed that Indigenous cultures protect biodiversity and should be compensated for their sustainable practices. But the US-dominated Uruguay round of GATT in the same year effectively shut out Indigenous peoples from any protection or compensation. In the meantime the world is losing viable Indigenous cultures that are the stewards of genetic diversity and a source of wisdom to mitigate climate change. These Indigenous communities have proven capability for sustainable agroecology and agroforestry – something the world needs as an alternative to unsustainable and unaffordable modern agribusiness.

-from Resurgence - any bias is admitted
Just the very fact that these cultures still exist is proof of their virtue. How could they have possibly done it without the expansive development of the west?

Actually what I find useful for this is that we can build a colony there, they've also found ice on the moon. This is an excellent discovery since having a colony there will then give us the ability to then put a base out into the Asteroid Belt, why is this important? This is the first step towards reaching out to further explore then colonize other planets and what not.

I say don't screw with it, look at how much the Moon effects the Earth, you know like the tides?

It sounds great but I had seen the TV show where several scientists and specialists told that mankind doesn't have the permission from the aliens to use the Moon's resources. And that because of the opposition from their side NASA had dismantled the Moon's program. But I do not trust  this information completely.
   

I believe we must establish a base on the Moon in order to then establish bases in the Asteroid Belt.  Set up them up as bases as supply and to build ships to stretch further out into the Universe.  Bottom line is we're running out of real estate on the Earth and in order to progress and survive as a species we must expand out into the Universe.

Pagan wrote:

I believe we must establish a base on the Moon in order to then establish bases in the Asteroid Belt.  Set up them up as bases as supply and to build ships to stretch further out into the Universe.  Bottom line is we're running out of real estate on the Earth and in order to progress and survive as a species we must expand out into the Universe.

The 'Diaspora' desire is funny to me, because I can't see a race moving outward and beyond based on overpopulation - the lack of resources and desire make it improbable at best.  I see the only way we explore outwardly is when we come together as a people and get our ducks in a row - does that seem probable in the near future, given our past two-thousand years of history?  The largest human endeavor we have consistently undertaken has been war.  That's been the sum total of all of our 'progress' - acquisition, dominion, accrual of wealth to fuel what boils down to weaponry.  Yay us.