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Judge rules Ashland church can brew hallucinogenic tea

March 20, 2009

A U.S. District Court judge has ruled that members of a Brazilian-based Christian church in Ashland can import, distribute and brew hallucinogenic tea.

Judge Owen Panner issued a permanent injunction barring the government from prohibiting or penalizing the sacramental use of "Daime tea," a tea brewed from two Amazonian plants that contain the hallucinogenic drug dimethyltriptamine, or DMT. The tea is also known as ayahuasca tea.

Panner's order, issued Thursday, said activities of The Church of the Holy Light of the Queen, an Ashland-based branch of the Santo Daime (pronounced die-may) sect, are legal. The Drug Enforcement Administration and the Department of Justice can't interfere or prosecute church members who follow a list of regulations set out in his order.

The church must register as an importer, record information about church officials who will handle the tea outside of ceremonies, sample and track each batch of tea, store and transport the tea in a secure manner and warn members who could be at risk of adverse reactions to the tea.

The church sought protection under the religious freedom restoration act after Jonathan Goldman, leader of the Ashland branch, was jailed for 12 hours and tea was seized from his home in 1999. No charges were ever filed against him.

The church's civil suit seeking protection was filed in 2008 and arguments were presented during a two-day trial in January.

— Anita Burke

I find this to be hopeful and encouraging. Although much of what goes on in the Territory of Oregon runs counter to the wishes of the Federal government and it will perhaps be overturned. U.S. District Court - wow...

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Damn! Now we're making progress! Howzit Brudda

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This was also reported on

This was also reported on ABC News, by the way - televised!

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I live most of the year and

I live most of the year and grew up in the Rogue Valley (Ashland & Medford). I followed this story from the beginning in the local paper and actually participate in the forums there.

With that said I am all for religous freedom - practice what you want. There is however a fine line we need to be aware of here. It is one thing to exercise the right to pratice one's belief but and its a big but there is a danger in extremes. I happen to know a couple of folk that are congregational members and their motivation is simply to get high and laugh at the legal system. It has nothing to do with theological beliefs. Yeah I know that is jugemental but I find it somewhat distasteful and an aboration of the seperation of of state and religion as intended by the framers of the constitution.

But the law is the law and as long as it doesn't become a Wako situation where people are forced into abusive acts then I am okay with it. As long as children aren't involved I am willing not to intrude on the beliefs of others. Unfortunately this is one of the down sides of an open society - the potential abuse by others. Again it becomes an issue of individual responsibilty based on acceptable societal norms.

Hell I might become a member just to check out the tea!

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Aww, come on AO, just a couple of scammers... doesn't mean it isn't legitimate. There are plenty of people who go to church for the coffee and donuts. To meet a 'nice' girl. For the wine. For the little boys. You know what I mean...

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Fremen what is a legitimate religion? How does one determine that? More importantly who is going to decide the rules applied? I think they all should be labeled social clubs and take away the tax free status enjoyed! But I am thinking I will start a church - Congregation of the Peaceful Bong! Rolling on the floor laughing

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Fremen what is a legitimate religion? How does one determine that? More importantly who is going to decide the rules applied? I think they all should be labeled social clubs and take away the tax free status enjoyed! But I am thinking I will start a church - Congregation of the Peaceful Bong! Rolling on the floor laughing

By law, a legitimate church is an incorporated entity within a county or state established to perform a task outside the bounds of the secular state.
The IRS criteria are:
a distinct legal existence
a recognized creed and form of worship
a definite and distinct ecclesiastical government
a formal code of doctrine and discipline
a distinct religious history
a membership not associated with any other church or denomination
an organization of ordained ministers
ordained ministers selected after completing prescribed studies
a literature of its own
established places of worship
regular congregations
regular religious services
school for the preparation of its ministers
Sunday schools for religious instruction of the young

I know you were asking rhetorically, just thought I'd put in a penny's worth Smiling
The founders had an enlightened take on churches that is not practiced today. They felt that a church was a wholly separate entity that had no relevance to the State and operated in complete autonomy - no incorporation, no tax-exempt status - because creating contracts with the State made an organisation a body of the state. Pretty twisted how it is done now, but I know purists who don't incorporate and make no contracts with regard to their ministries and have a comprehensive legal pathway to this method of existence. It makes so much sense, but is virtually unheard of in modern times. Sort of points out the hypocritical intention of most large church organisations who can't wait to make contracts within the State-run system and thereby receive State-sponsored benefits from those contracts. The Founders considered a church to be an 'ethereal' entity beyond the reach of governance and therefore inviolate.

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So then would this make Seventh Day Adventists illegal? Since Saturday is their sabbath I believe it would disqualify them. Or does it take multiple violations to invalidate their religous organization status?

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So then would this make Seventh Day Adventists illegal?

You have a point! Who knows what kind of contract they worked out to legally incorporate?

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just a guess but perhaps a political donation was involved! Eye-wink

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Wow, a church that allows its members to get high? Now I have heard everything. I don`t know but that just doesn`t sit well with me. Too much of a possible abuse of the tea. Very strange.

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Wow, a church that allows its members to get high? Now I have heard everything. I don`t know but that just doesn`t sit well with me. Too much of a possible abuse of the tea. Very strange.

Kinda like "communal wine" eh? Eye-wink

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Kinda like "communal wine" eh?

Or the koolaid! Let's just hope (or pray for you resurrectionists)this won't be another Jim Jones repeat down the road! I better go join to keep an eye on things! Eye-wink

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I have a freind who attends this church in Ashland. This tea is amazing, it produces group halucinations it is definetly not for those who have something to hide. If you want to learn more about how this came to be discovered you shoulld read Terrence McKenna's books, also there is a series called wizard of the Upper Amazon that was written by a Shaman of the tribe from the rio tigre in the 1930's it is the books that led Terrence to the people and helped him teach the tribe how to make the brew properly ( When their Shaman ran away they lost this knowledge) and were brewing the tea into an alchohol which destroyed the D.M.T. and only gave them a little alchohol buzz and a big hang over check out these books.Oh by the way these are the most Christlike Christians I have ever met.

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It is very difficult to abuse D.M.T. it definetly puts you in touch with the higher planes of existence. When the door opens you know time stops and the beings(called snakes or "gate keepers") are very strong spiritual beings who are able to cure many diseases and maladies especially psycological problems it gives you connection with those around you.This church is not a cult they do not have a spiritual leader it is not a brainwashing technique. Yes you can crystalize D.M.T. and use it to get high but if you ingest a little more than it takes to get a buzz the door opens and then it is another story. you learn about the twelve dimensional universe and our place in it as the children of god The father of the twelth demension and the creator of the universe we are twelth demensional beings the only "God" allowed in the twelth demension is Jahova and us. The "Gate Keepers" are also allowed. I do not expect you to believe me it is human nature to not beleive what they do not understand but once you have been through the door there is no longer any doubt about who we as humans are and about what our purpose is( to reach adulthood )

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I have a freind who attends this church in Ashland. This tea is amazing, it produces group halucinations it is definetly not for those who have something to hide. If you want to learn more about how this came to be discovered you shoulld read Terrence McKenna's books, also there is a series called wizard of the Upper Amazon that was written by a Shaman of the tribe from the rio tigre in the 1930's it is the books that led Terrence to the people and helped him teach the tribe how to make the brew properly ( When their Shaman ran away they lost this knowledge) and were brewing the tea into an alchohol which destroyed the D.M.T. and only gave them a little alchohol buzz and a big hang over check out these books.Oh by the way these are the most Christlike Christians I have ever met.

Interesting .....
Thing is though with people getting a "Buzz", man has done it since the dawn of time, hell animals do it also. Look at cats with Catnip and also how coffee was discovered, a Goat Herder noticed how his Goats acted "frisky" and what not after eating some berries off of a bush Howzit Brudda
Anyway getting a "Buzz" has been a way for people to get in touch with their inner self, awakenings and "Spiritual" self for aeons. Even now in business deals across the globe decisions are made over a drink, etc. Rasta Mon

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I live most of the year and grew up in the Rogue Valley (Ashland & Medford). I followed this story from the beginning in the local paper and actually participate in the forums there.

With that said I am all for religous freedom - practice what you want. There is however a fine line we need to be aware of here. It is one thing to exercise the right to pratice one's belief but and its a big but there is a danger in extremes. I happen to know a couple of folk that are congregational members and their motivation is simply to get high and laugh at the legal system. It has nothing to do with theological beliefs. Yeah I know that is jugemental but I find it somewhat distasteful and an aboration of the seperation of of state and religion as intended by the framers of the constitution.

But the law is the law and as long as it doesn't become a Wako situation where people are forced into abusive acts then I am okay with it. As long as children aren't involved I am willing not to intrude on the beliefs of others. Unfortunately this is one of the down sides of an open society - the potential abuse by others. Again it becomes an issue of individual responsibilty based on acceptable societal norms.

Hell I might become a member just to check out the tea!


You might think they just want to get high, But I guarantee you that would not be the case.When You take the tea everything about you all your thoughts and desires and wants and needs are open for all who are involed to know they would be spotted quickly and asked to leave when they came down this happens a lot in this church. I lived in Cave Junction for 13 years.I have experienced this tea and the ceremony which does not take place every service but only once a month.If your friends say they just go to get high they dont even go there they are lieing.

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I have a freind who attends this church in Ashland. This tea is amazing, it produces group halucinations it is definetly not for those who have something to hide. If you want to learn more about how this came to be discovered you shoulld read Terrence McKenna's books, also there is a series called wizard of the Upper Amazon that was written by a Shaman of the tribe from the rio tigre in the 1930's it is the books that led Terrence to the people and helped him teach the tribe how to make the brew properly ( When their Shaman ran away they lost this knowledge) and were brewing the tea into an alchohol which destroyed the D.M.T. and only gave them a little alchohol buzz and a big hang over check out these books.Oh by the way these are the most Christlike Christians I have ever met.

Interesting .....
Thing is though with people getting a "Buzz", man has done it since the dawn of time, hell animals do it also. Look at cats with Catnip and also how coffee was discovered, a Goat Herder noticed how his Goats acted "frisky" and what not after eating some berries off of a bush Howzit Brudda
Anyway getting a "Buzz" has been a way for people to get in touch with their inner self, awakenings and "Spiritual" self for aeons. Even now in business deals across the globe decisions are made over a drink, etc. Rasta Mon


having a drink or smoking a joint is a totally different thing.This practice is ancient long before Catholic missionaries came to Brazil these tribes were doing this in order to pass the knowledge of generations to the new hunters and the girls who became women.Yes D.M.T is also known as the "rich mans L.S.D. but that is the crystalized smokable version.If you drink even a small amout of the tea you will enter into a trance like state as the door to the 5th dimension opens the trance lasts about four hours as opposed to smoking which lasts about 20 minutes. Once again I do not expect you to believe me but this is the real truth about our father god.

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So then would this make Seventh Day Adventists illegal? Since Saturday is their sabbath I believe it would disqualify them. Or does it take multiple violations to invalidate their religous organization status?

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Just to let you know Saturday is everybodies Sabbath. The reason that Churchs hold services on sunday is so that the minister does not break the commandment to keep the sabbath holy.

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oh yeah my friend was a adamate athiest for many years and now he Loves Christ. Jawdropping!

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I have a freind who attends this church in Ashland. This tea is amazing, it produces group halucinations it is definetly not for those who have something to hide. If you want to learn more about how this came to be discovered you shoulld read Terrence McKenna's books, also there is a series called wizard of the Upper Amazon that was written by a Shaman of the tribe from the rio tigre in the 1930's it is the books that led Terrence to the people and helped him teach the tribe how to make the brew properly ( When their Shaman ran away they lost this knowledge) and were brewing the tea into an alchohol which destroyed the D.M.T. and only gave them a little alchohol buzz and a big hang over check out these books.Oh by the way these are the most Christlike Christians I have ever met.

Interesting .....
Thing is though with people getting a "Buzz", man has done it since the dawn of time, hell animals do it also. Look at cats with Catnip and also how coffee was discovered, a Goat Herder noticed how his Goats acted "frisky" and what not after eating some berries off of a bush Howzit Brudda
Anyway getting a "Buzz" has been a way for people to get in touch with their inner self, awakenings and "Spiritual" self for aeons. Even now in business deals across the globe decisions are made over a drink, etc. Rasta Mon


having a drink or smoking a joint is a totally different thing.This practice is ancient long before Catholic missionaries came to Brazil these tribes were doing this in order to pass the knowledge of generations to the new hunters and the girls who became women.Yes D.M.T is also known as the "rich mans L.S.D. but that is the crystalized smokable version.If you drink even a small amout of the tea you will enter into a trance like state as the door to the 5th dimension opens the trance lasts about four hours as opposed to smoking which lasts about 20 minutes. Once again I do not expect you to believe me but this is the real truth about our father god.

I have no reason to doubt you and what I know of S. America also gives me any reason to doubt you. Native people around the globe have used a number of ways to get in touch with their Creator/Gods. What is something to think about though is this. When they do use the substance it's in a very controlled environment and administered by their Shaman. Where these substances have been abused is when used recreationally for the purpose of just getting a buzz. Anyway I thought that's an interesting point to think about. Lava Lamp

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I have a freind who attends this church in Ashland. This tea is amazing, it produces group halucinations it is definetly not for those who have something to hide. If you want to learn more about how this came to be discovered you shoulld read Terrence McKenna's books, also there is a series called wizard of the Upper Amazon that was written by a Shaman of the tribe from the rio tigre in the 1930's it is the books that led Terrence to the people and helped him teach the tribe how to make the brew properly ( When their Shaman ran away they lost this knowledge) and were brewing the tea into an alchohol which destroyed the D.M.T. and only gave them a little alchohol buzz and a big hang over check out these books.Oh by the way these are the most Christlike Christians I have ever met.

Interesting .....
Thing is though with people getting a "Buzz", man has done it since the dawn of time, hell animals do it also. Look at cats with Catnip and also how coffee was discovered, a Goat Herder noticed how his Goats acted "frisky" and what not after eating some berries off of a bush Howzit Brudda
Anyway getting a "Buzz" has been a way for people to get in touch with their inner self, awakenings and "Spiritual" self for aeons. Even now in business deals across the globe decisions are made over a drink, etc. Rasta Mon


having a drink or smoking a joint is a totally different thing.This practice is ancient long before Catholic missionaries came to Brazil these tribes were doing this in order to pass the knowledge of generations to the new hunters and the girls who became women.Yes D.M.T is also known as the "rich mans L.S.D. but that is the crystalized smokable version.If you drink even a small amout of the tea you will enter into a trance like state as the door to the 5th dimension opens the trance lasts about four hours as opposed to smoking which lasts about 20 minutes. Once again I do not expect you to believe me but this is the real truth about our father god.

I have no reason to doubt you and what I know of S. America also gives me any reason to doubt you. Native people around the globe have used a number of ways to get in touch with their Creator/Gods. What is something to think about though is this. When they do use the substance it's in a very controlled environment and administered by their Shaman. Where these substances have been abused is when used recreationally for the purpose of just getting a buzz. Anyway I thought that's an interesting point to think about. Lava Lamp

in this church the minister is a trained south American Shaman at least it was when I was there. I do know he was training on of the parisioners to take over for him, this may be the case. Like I stated before these people are serious about their beliefs it is not about getting high, It is about creating a safe community where no one will feel lonely or as if no one understands. Because of the group nature of this hallucination for the first time in my life did not feel alone. Lets face it no matter how many people are around you are always alone in your head, this changes that it creates exceptance of our shortcomings and helps us to realize that others have these same feelings by creating a mental bond between participants.It is something to experience for yourself I cannot explain it the emotions tied to the experience are very strong and some people may have a great fear for a short period of time after coming down this is attributed to secrets that have been shared unwillingly by those who hide such thing. But after a few times this does not happen anymore. You learn that it is not important what others think of you only what you think of you. People who constantly worry about what other people think of them always hide stuff and have many secrets (usually these secrets are silly) sometimes their serious.( like pedophilia, murder, rape,)

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in this church the minister is a trained south American Shaman at least it was when I was there. I do know he was training on of the parisioners to take over for him, this may be the case. Like I stated before these people are serious about their beliefs it is not about getting high, It is about creating a safe community where no one will feel lonely or as if no one understands. Because of the group nature of this hallucination for the first time in my life did not feel alone. Lets face it no matter how many people are around you are always alone in your head, this changes that it creates exceptance of our shortcomings and helps us to realize that others have these same feelings by creating a mental bond between participants.It is something to experience for yourself I cannot explain it the emotions tied to the experience are very strong and some people may have a great fear for a short period of time after coming down this is attributed to secrets that have been shared unwillingly by those who hide such thing. But after a few times this does not happen anymore. You learn that it is not important what others think of you only what you think of you. People who constantly worry about what other people think of them always hide stuff and have many secrets (usually these secrets are silly) sometimes their serious.( like pedophilia, murder, rape,)

Yeah when one is trusting enough to expose themselves to others that really brings one to another level. Cool

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Yes it is an amazing thing when you learn to be open, happiness flows from open people.

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Three things. SpaceCowboy brings up some good points here and there could be some things for those of us who have not partaken to learn.

2nd of all, the system laughs at us all of the time. Its time to laugh back.

Thirdly, personal responsibility. I find it interesting that those who espouse its virtue, raise concern here.

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I prefer to take LSD in the

I prefer to take LSD in the worlds largest cathedral - nature! Walk and talk with all the gods. I prefer also spending the day with them as a short conversation just doesn't do it for me - I have many questions and at times the answers are lengthy. Of course this choice is a result of my rejection of religions in general who incorporate dogmatic beliefs.

Not sure what this has to do with personal responsibility, but next trip I will certainly inquire and report back accordingly.

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MDA (Ecstasy or X) can invoke the same effects. Is it the tea or drug or its effects of breaking down inhibitions that produce this connection? Would one not conclude that the access to the spiritual dimesion then be attainable without the introduction of a drug? Is this not similar to out of body or astroprojection experiences?

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I think it has a lot to do with theological beliefs, besides just getting high.

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I think it has a lot to do with theological beliefs, besides just getting high.

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Yeah I used to do the artificial high thing decades ago, now it's just a good Single Malt, Barley Pop or fine Wine every now and again. Most of the time I just get "High on Life" and it's wonders that cease to amaze me. That's why I love to travel, especially out of the Country, the experience gives you one hell of a buzz every time. Like when I'm standing there looking over Machu Picchu, shit it hits you every time. I once thought it was amazing seeing the Pyramids of Egypt and the Nile from the sky, but my new passion is Peru and the Sacred Valley. That's what I get high on ..... Rasta Mon

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O.K., I need to chime in - I don't judge the use of any substance for any reason. However, it has been my experience that when a person is clear of toxins and open to it, any and all food is hallucinogenic - at least in its natural state. I have had mind-blowing experiences during fasts by ingesting things like chrysanthemum tea and wild mint. I also currently have tremendous sensitivity to food because I eat a raw vegan diet. Sugar highs are a thing of the past, you want to know what gives me a buzz? Salt. It's a big-time stimulant - more powerful than sugar when that used to buzz me. The Standard American Diet and most diets around the world literally numb a human from being sensitive to all natural stimulus and so it takes extra-potent stimulants to get a transcendent experience. I think McKenna and his ilk opened doors for some acceptance of the anthropological-based use of certain plants, but humans are far from needing these things to experience the Divine. It's within us and is our birthright - just feel it.

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I get high very little these days, but have often found it useful in "stepping outside" of my box, boundary, whatever you might want to call that perspective. Those thoughts have remained with me after the experience and have allowed me to expand where maybe i wouldn't have in the first place.

Outside of that, the beauty that man can create is an astounding one and his magnificance is always something to behold.

Nature is also something that I always hold in awe. The wonder of a system that is so perfect often leaves me speechless.

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Careful, Freeemen. The DEA might be on to you! Don't put my salt in jeopardy now!

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So Fremen does a raw carrot get you into the pastures of the holy? Or do they simply enhance your vision for the darkest hours of the day? I am curious and still seeking spiritual enlightenment that comes naturally. Is really possible. Or is it celery and wheat germ that is the catalyst for spiritualism? Puzzled

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Just for you Fremen! Eye-wink Rolling on the floor laughing

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Hey Fremen we just be fucking with you! Please don't take it too serious - I still love man! Not in a biblical sense mind you. That I will leave to Barney Franks.

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So Fremen does a raw carrot get you into the pastures of the holy? Or do they simply enhance your vision for the darkest hours of the day? I am curious and still seeking spiritual enlightenment that comes naturally. Is really possible. Or is it celery and wheat germ that is the catalyst for spiritualism? Puzzled

I avoid wheat germ, because you gotta smoke it for enlightenment Eye-wink
In all sincerity, it is the changes to our daily routine that are the most profound. Although a trek to the Sacred Valley is fucking amasing (I value trekking above all other experiences), just change your diet and see if you are able to see the world the same. No way - I'll fucking guarantee it. That's change you can believe in, my friend. And imagine if you used no electricity - how would you be able to view reality in the same context as now? You wouldn't. My position is based on the fact that we have everything we need as spiritual beings vacationing on this rock - everything is provided free of charge and that isn't good enough. We had to put conditions on our very existence for some fucked-up reason lost to antiquity. I don't even care about the 'why's?' anymore, I just have a clear path to my own liberation and I'm following it as best as I can. I am a child of this culture and time, but I am still a child of Universal Truth and all I have to do is remember that and fly, man.
And to each his own, that's the point. All is One. I've experienced it. Eye-wink

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Hey Fremen we just be fucking with you! Please don't take it too serious - I still love man! Not in a biblical sense mind you. That I will leave to Barney Franks.

Man, if I had no sense of humor, I'd be dead right now - no doubt about it! Cheers Mate!

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Dude, I'm so hot right now! Eye-wink
I have seen these erotic fruits and veggies done in many great ways... and for the record, I'm no slouch in the sack, but after going raw vegan, I can not express to you - the stamina... Mockery

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but after going raw vegan, I can not express to you - the stamina...

Fremen it is nothing to brag about when it is a veggie you are in the sack with! I just can't get off on a turnip or a butternut squash! But then I have never tried a fresh peach with all the fuzz on it!
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The veggies just make it more... interesting. She doesn't seem to mind Eye-wink

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Fremen it is nothing to brag about when it is a veggie you are in the sack with! I just can't get off on a turnip or a butternut squash! But then I have never tried a fresh peach with all the fuzz on it!
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In all sincerity, it is the changes to our daily routine that are the most profound.

No argument with that. I gave up alcohol once and life sucked, then I stopped smoking weed and life really sucked! Funny thing though I later took a Sabbatical from women and things started looking up!
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Let me educate you my Son Eye-wink

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5. No porn, now tasteful "Art" is accepted but no porn. What I would define porn as are explicate sex acts, now tasteful "artistic" presentation of the human body is fine. I'm not running a porn site here so if it's questionable just ask

This is what I define as "Tasteful", and yes I asked myself before posting it Mockery

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No I wouldn't define that as porn, it's art. And yes I practice what I preach and hold myself to the same rules as everyone else Eye-wink

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