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Ever notice how the rights of students never cooks up a shitstorm?

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Ever notice how the rights of students never cooks up a shitstorm?

I'm saying this, go to somewhere like Reddit or Digg, and do a generic search for the word School (sort by top result on Reddit for best results), you'll see just what the problem with schools in this country have. It's not the president making a speech, its not the students, but its teachers crossing the line and abusing their authority (Which is practically nil in the first place) to bully students and grossly violate their rights.

Anyone else think that a good bit of taxpayer money should be spent informing students AND teachers of the rights that students have in school? Not just the basics like the right to have a parent present, but things like their right against unreasonable search, their right to not be discriminated, things like that.

I think it would do the country a good turn if students had their rights spelled out for them. Even though pretty much everyone in America can recite the Miranda Warning, we still say it to people arrested on serious charges, and that works out just fine.

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Students rights?  Let me see they have a right to a "free lunch" and of course there is the right to be provided special classes so they can learn English as a second language!  How about they fucking learn the language of the majority before being allowed to attend our tax supported schools!  Name me one other fucking country that bends over backwards to accomodate foreigners who don't speak the native language!

Then of course there is the issue of no prayer in schools with the exception of the Islamist students who are provide a seperate prayer room so they can bow toward Mecca!  And we wonder why the nation is failing  - no make that failed!

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Britain, there were massive controversies over asylum seekers and them being a "Religious minority" and the PC pricks were getting down on their knees and sucking plenty of dick to "not offend them".

PS: It's 'mandatory' prayer that's the controversy, if an islamic student wishes to pray, they can, as they have that right under the first amendment. If an atheist wishes to not pray, yeah, exact same right. But when people are pressured into it, directly or indirectly, that's when the courts get involved and rightfully so.

I do agree they should work on their English however, or attend a school that teaches in their language. Not got anything against people that don't speak English, but I didn't learn it for kicks. (I learn Japanese for kicks)

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Britain, there were massive controversies over asylum seekers and them being a "Religious minority" and the PC pricks were getting down on their knees and sucking plenty of dick to "not offend them".

PS: It's 'mandatory' prayer that's the controversy, if an islamic student wishes to pray, they can, as they have that right under the first amendment. If an atheist wishes to not pray, yeah, exact same right. But when people are pressured into it, directly or indirectly, that's when the courts get involved and rightfully so.

I do agree they should work on their English however, or attend a school that teaches in their language. Not got anything against people that don't speak English, but I didn't learn it for kicks. (I learn Japanese for kicks)

Unfortunately prayer in schools is not a matter of choice it simply is not permitted.  Neither is the mentioning of "god" but yet we in some schools actually provide a room for Islamic prayer throughout the day.  On the upside they must provide their own prayer rug - that yet is not being subsidized by the tax payers - well that is for now at least and shit seems to change so I suspect eventually that too will become an exception.

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Anyone else think that a good bit of taxpayer money should be spent informing students AND teachers of the rights that students have in school? Not just the basics like the right to have a parent present, but things like their right against unreasonable search, their right to not be discriminated, things like that.

Actually our school district does this at the taxpayers expense, this is passed out and signed every year by all students and contrary to popular belief students do not have the right against unreasonable search. If a student in this district requests a parking permit , in paying their fee school security is allowed to search the vehicle for illegal counterband without parental consent or due process. The verbage states clearly there will be random searches of lockers, vehicles and personal property in an effort to protect the student body against violence and drugs. If you are 16 years of age you can be questioned without a parent and arrested if you have drugs,(suspected or actual illegal substances) weapons, or have been involved in activities that are considerd assualtive (fighting & gross insubordination) regardless of whether you intiated it or not you can be removed from the school with a formal complaint filed. In fact our schools have a police source called SRO Officers that drive community funded squad cars. SRO is called when minors in a school district get in trouble outside of the school walls, like drinking or petit larceny. Truancy is a crime and parents and students both face court action in cases where the student is under 16, then at 16 it is the student and they will be refered to the county.  They are probabtioned through the school and court system prior to PINS which is through the court and state. PINS is a legal action where the student becomes a ward of the court and is monitored by CPS.  We even have a seperate school for displinary (OSS) cases and pregnant teens!! Yup they will bus your kid off in the morning, this place is like lockdown. Students sent here cannot mix or be with students in their home district. They cannot join clubs or organized sports for 1 yr after release from (OSS) displinary schools.

The school district also regulated what students wear (although it is somewhat lax in things like rock t-shirts) You cannot wear anti releigious, racist, drug or alcohol related clothing, scantly dressed, sexually suggestive or showing midriff tops. Yet they allow flip flops -go figure- people wear these in the snow here -weirdo's

You cannot use racial slurs, or deragotory hate speech,can not bully. What is considered bullying is vague and open to interperataion. You can pray provided it is not during class time and limited to clubs that are opt in. This is true for all relegions. We do have a large pagan sect and many alternative lifestyle clubs-

So there you have it, this is a public school,  the largests in the county.   SRO also enforces curfews in the town and village for non sanctioned school events like movies & bowling. in fact our local mall prohibits teens (under 18)  from even shopping without a parent present. Security will stop and ask for ID.  This is pretty commonplace in many establishments.

This area has been like a police state for many years, yet DUI and DWI crimes abound. There is also a large degree of white collar and domestic crimes.

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Well, if you sign a contract that signs away certain rights, then that isn't "Unreasonable Search". That's you saying "I have the permission to park my car on school property, but you have the right to search it for contraband."

The rest are pretty overkill though, but the Mall does have the right to turn away people since it's a private establishment, and they have very different rules. On clothing though, they can pressure you, but what a school can say you can and cannot wear is very very limited for a reason.

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Students rights?  Let me see they have a right to a "free lunch" and of course there is the right to be provided special classes so they can learn English as a second language!  How about they fucking learn the language of the majority before being allowed to attend our tax supported schools!  Name me one other fucking country that bends over backwards to accomodate foreigners who don't speak the native language!

 

In our district they no longer use "English as a Second Language" or ESL... it is now called by the fluff name of "English Language Learner", and according to my friend who was hired part time in this position (her other position was cut due to budget), the test that shows if the child needs the help or not is hard, and in order to get out of the program, they have to retest.  I asked if the test was the same, she wasn't sure but hoped not!  Students don't get out the program unless they pass the test or move!