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Former White House lawyer: Cheney dares US to indict him
Raw Story | May 19, 09

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Vice President Cheney is daring the Obama administration to indict him for authorizing torture, according to a former White House lawyer, and it’s time to call him out on his bluff.

“I have written many times in this space that I oppose any criminal prosecution of prior-administration officials on torture or other issues relating to the Iraq War and the war on terrorism, especially those CIA interrogators who relied in good faith on the instructions of policymakers and the legal opinions issued by Justice Department senior officials,” former Special Counsel to the President for Bill Clinton Lanny Davis writes in a column published by the Washington Times Monday. “I have agreed with President Obama on the need to look forward, not backward.”

Davis continues, “But … I have changed my mind about the need to indict former Vice President Dick Cheney for complicity in illegal torture.”

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His insistence on putting himself on multiple TV programs and conservative radio talk shows, not only defending torture but offering the defense that it worked, has changed my mind. Not only that - he went on to attack Mr. Obama as weakening the United States in the war on terrorism because Mr. Obama immediately announced that torture would no longer be allowed.

Dem’s fighting words. They are also, in my view, reckless and irresponsible. They seem to be laying down a marker that in case, God forbid, there is a terrorist attack, Mr. Cheney can be the first to blame it on Mr. Obama’s policies and say, “I told you so.”

Even more, they seem to be an in-your-face dare by Mr. Cheney to the U.S. criminal justice system: “I am Dick Cheney, I approved violations of the law in the name of the war on terror, and what are you going to do about it?”

It reminds me of Gary Hart’s reaction in the early days of his 1988 presidential campaign to the rumors of his womanizing. Mr. Hart denied the charge - and then dared the media to catch him. Well, they took him up on his dare (specifically, the Miami Herald did). And they caught him - at least in a compromising situation that led to his withdrawal from the campaign.

So as to Mr. Cheney: I think it is time to take him up on his implicit dare and indict him for violating the 1994 federal law against torture.

The longtime Democrat, who holds the title of Treasurer for Independent Senator Joe Lieberman’s Reuniting Our Country PAC, then lays out how an indictment of Cheney might look.

Davis also served as a member of President George W. Bush’s Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, before resigning in May of 2007 due to his “respectful disagreement with administration officials and most members of the Board over (1) the scope of the Board’s oversight responsibilities; and (2) the interpretation of an ambiguous statute and the degree of independence of the Board intended by congress under that statute.”

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OOOOOOOOOOH I want this fucker in Jail!!!!!!!! Frustrated

 

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OOOOOOOOOOH I want this fucker in Jail!!!!!!!!

Never gonna happen! Best to move on and not waste the energy! Reflect upon your vacation and the space you want to be in is time better spent. Eye-wink

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I disagree. let's not make a liar out of him and take him up on his dare. Cheers Mate!

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The one issue I take with the article is that it seems the only reason he wants Cheney prosecuted is for exercising his 1st amendment rights. WTF?

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Boan, You NEVER cease to amaze me with your ignorance. The article CLEARLY stated:

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First, as to the law: The 1994 federal law making torture illegal defines torture as "any act that causes severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, intentionally inflicted on a person for such purpose as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession."

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Boan, You NEVER cease to amaze me with your ignorance. The article CLEARLY stated:

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First, as to the law: The 1994 federal law making torture illegal defines torture as "any act that causes severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, intentionally inflicted on a person for such purpose as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession."

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“I have written many times in this space that I oppose any criminal prosecution of prior-administration officials on torture or other issues relating to the Iraq War and the war on terrorism, especially those CIA interrogators who relied in good faith on the instructions of policymakers and the legal opinions issued by Justice Department senior officials,” former Special Counsel to the President for Bill Clinton Lanny Davis writes in a column published by the Washington Times Monday. “I have agreed with President Obama on the need to look forward, not backward.”

Davis continues, “But … I have changed my mind about the need to indict former Vice President Dick Cheney for complicity in illegal torture.”

If you had properly read it, you would note that he only singles out Cheney to be prosecuted and no one else. He goes on to say he has changed his mind because Cheney is outspoken.

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Perhaps its because of the scale he used it on? Either way, torture is ineffective, against the Geneva convention and all that have used it should be prosectuted.

Especially those who LIED about it.

Wasn't it Clinton who LIED about a BJ and you were all for it?

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I couldn't be because the Piece of Shit Cheny is hitting the Media Circus (fat finger intended Eye-wink ) on his "Magical Mystery Tour" could it?

Seriously Boan, get a dose of reality eh? Jerk Off

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Perhaps its because of the scale he used it on? Either way, torture is ineffective, against the Geneva convention and all that have used it should be prosectuted.

Especially those who LIED about it.

Wasn't it Clinton who LIED about a BJ and you were all for it?

Exactly my point numbnuts. The writer excludes EVERY OTHER PERSON INVOLVED. If there are going to be prosecutions they should be equal across the board. Not selective.

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Then, why the WTF? Seriously boan, buy a vowel.

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Perhaps its because of the scale he used it on? Either way, torture is ineffective, against the Geneva convention and all that have used it should be prosectuted.

Especially those who LIED about it.

Wasn't it Clinton who LIED about a BJ and you were all for it?

Exactly my point numbnuts. The writer excludes EVERY OTHER PERSON INVOLVED. If there are going to be prosecutions they should be equal across the board. Not selective.


So Boan the reason could be as he explained

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His insistence on putting himself on multiple TV programs and conservative radio talk shows, not only defending torture but offering the defense that it worked, has changed my mind.

You know reading is a wonderful thing! Laughing out loud

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His insistence on putting himself on multiple TV programs and conservative radio talk shows, not only defending torture but offering the defense that it worked, has changed my mind.


So you two are stating that it's ok for the government to selectively prosecute people based on what they say? It's the man's opinion. The last I checked opinions are protected speech in this country. So are you two saying 1st amendment be damned? Should we also prosecute Dennis Blair for saying the same things?

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His insistence on putting himself on multiple TV programs and conservative radio talk shows, not only defending torture but offering the defense that it worked, has changed my mind.


So you two are stating that it's ok for the government to selectively prosecute people based on what they say? It's the man's opinion. The last I checked opinions are protected speech in this country. So are you two saying 1st amendment be damned? Should we also prosecute Dennis Blair for saying the same things?

Jerk Off Jerk Off You're seriously making something out of nothing Sheep

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So you two are stating that it's ok for the government to selectively prosecute people based on what they say?

Really.

Besides, I can seriously see you making the same case for Clinton!

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So you two are stating that it's ok for the government to selectively prosecute people based on what they say?

Really.

Besides, I can seriously see you making the same case for Clinton!

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Really? So what have I had to say about Clinton?

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Jerk Off Jerk Off You're seriously making something out of nothing Sheep

everyone in this thread is pretty much....

I just made a simple statement that the writer of the article was being very selective and deciding one person out of hundreds responsible should be prosecuted because he has a loud mouth..

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I just made a simple statement that the writer of the article was being very selective and deciding one person out of hundreds responsible should be prosecuted because he has a loud mouth..

And he lied.... Just like Clinton! And puh-lease! We all know how much you love Bill Clinton....

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Jerk Off Jerk Off You're seriously making something out of nothing Sheep

everyone in this thread is pretty much....

I just made a simple statement that the writer of the article was being very selective and deciding one person out of hundreds responsible should be prosecuted because he has a loud mouth..


Aaaah Yeah, right highlighting one arrogant prick who is bragging about getting away with treason, not to mention "daring anyone to anything about it" on national media is "singling out" and letting the others get away with it. Jerk Off

Only you would spin it that way, Sheep

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Who is spinning? It's straight from the article. Almost a direct quote. Do you agree with the author, that we should only prosecute Cheney and no one else?

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Who is spinning? It's straight from the article. Almost a direct quote. Do you agree with the author, that we should only prosecute Cheney and no one else?

You spin almost as bad as Bill O'Reilly Jerk Off

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And you dodge questions like a Clinton! Rolling on the floor laughing

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And you dodge questions like a Clinton! :rofl:

I addressed it, you just choose to spin like O'Reilly Sheep

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HEY!! Weren't you in a movie?


Dodgeball?

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Nope. That wasn't him.

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Nope. That wasn't him.

Yeah, Boaner seems to be just watching too much "O'Reilly" Rolling on the floor laughing

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How can he watch O'reilly when he's buried that far up his ass? Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing

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So I'm sorry, musta missed it, do you or do you not agree with the author that no one except the Cheney should be prosecuted?

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So I'm sorry, musta missed it, do you or do you not agree with the author that no one except the Cheney should be prosecuted?

Here, read Reply #10

Then maybe you'll realize "He Changed His Mind" from not prosecuting "Anyone" to "Going After Them" Starting with the piece of shit Cheney.

You need it spelled out anymore? Fart

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I think he does, including having the last word. That's what beer does to one. Cheers Mate!

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So I'm sorry, musta missed it, do you or do you not agree with the author that no one except the Cheney should be prosecuted?

Here, read Reply #10

Then maybe you'll realize "He Changed His Mind" from not prosecuting "Anyone" to "Going After Them" Starting with the piece of shit Cheney.

You need it spelled out anymore? Fart

Now you are making shit up to try to win your petty little argument.

go ahead quote where he mentions prosecuting anyone other than Cheney. Double cowbells if you can get your cheerleader to do it for you.

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Whew. Where have I been? You boys have pretty much blown this topic out. I think that Cheney is just setting himself up as a lightning rod and I also think that he can take it. That's why he's presenting an otherwise unheard-of public face. That guy is made of cast iron. He believes he is untouchable and he's probably right in a certain sort of way. I'd like to see him frog-marched out of his home with the normal decorum afforded a crack dealer, but that's just me.

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Whew. Where have I been? You boys have pretty much blown this topic out. I think that Cheney is just setting himself up as a lightning rod and I also think that he can take it. That's why he's presenting an otherwise unheard-of public face. That guy is made of cast iron. He believes he is untouchable and he's probably right in a certain sort of way. I'd like to see him frog-marched out of his home with the normal decorum afforded a crack dealer, but that's just me.

Yep, he's doing nothing but being the arrogant prick thinking he's untouchable. But as displayed by the actions of the Obama Administration it's sadly proving him correct. For Government believes they are untouchable, I want all this pricks to stand trial but sadly with the attitude of the "us vs them" mentality no one is going to hold anyone accountable. The Obama supporters will only make excuses for their glorious leader just like those who supported Dubya. Puke

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I agree. This debate is anything but petty. And entertaining or trying to justify his behavior with the past bad behaviors of others is cheap, at best. It also smacks of lopsided predictable hypocrisy.

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And Boaner .... you're a crack up Jerk Off
Really Evil

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I thought he was just a crack..... Moon

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Cheney is a butt head - that is a given. Then on the other hand he presents a great argument. It is rather refreshing to see someone counter the Obamanation moves. This is a healthy thing speaking out so we can all see the ridiculousness of it all!

I say leave the torture, water boarding, fingernail pulling etc to the spooks who need these tools to play their game. Leave me out of it and I don't really care what you need to do to secure my country. I don't need to hear about it in the daily news.

Now of course Pelosi is just dumb enough to get caught up in this issue and she is no match for the big DICK Cheney. As much as I dislike him I must recognize that he is a tenacious opponent and skilled in confrontational politics. Nancy should retire before she gets ground up and spit out raw.

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Cheney is a butt head - that is a given. Then on the other hand he presents a great argument. It is rather refreshing to see someone counter the Obamanation moves. This is a healthy thing speaking out so we can all see the ridiculousness of it all!

I say leave the torture, water boarding, fingernail pulling etc to the spooks who need these tools to play their game. Leave me out of it and I don't really care what you need to do to secure my country. I don't need to hear about it in the daily news.

Now of course Pelosi is just dumb enough to get caught up in this issue and she is no match for the big DICK Cheney. As much as I dislike him I must recognize that he is a tenacious opponent and skilled in confrontational politics. Nancy should retire before she gets ground up and spit out raw.


So the rule of law doesn't apply to Government eh? They're "above" the law and can do what ever choose, with no accountability and complete immunity? Barf!

MMMM where have we heard this type of justification before? Oh yea, 1930's/40's Germany Eye-wink

Sorry, call me silly but I believe in a certain so called "out dated" document.

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Noww that I can agree with. The less we speak out, the more of our freedoms we lose.

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Sorry, call me silly but I believe in a certain so called "out dated" document.

Yes, We know...The Magna Carta! Laughing out loud Laughing out loud

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We must demand Government adhere to the rule of law, when they beak it it's our duty to demand they be held accountable.


No One Is Above The Law Period!


This is what the Magna Carta addressed and why Western Law is founded on. To revert to the time before the Magna Carta is to go back to the Dark Ages of Absolute Rule

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Pagan wrote:

We must demand Government adhere to the rule of law, when they beak it it's our duty to demand they be held accountable.


No One Is Above The Law Period!


This is what the Magna Carta addressed and why Western Law is founded on. To revert to the time before the Magna Carta is to go back to the Dark Ages of Absolute Rule

Which takes us all the way back to the start where I stated I disagreed with the author that Dick Cheney should be singled out for prosecution. Equal protection in the eyes of the law, ya know!

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Boanerges wrote:
Pagan wrote:

We must demand Government adhere to the rule of law, when they beak it it's our duty to demand they be held accountable.


No One Is Above The Law Period!


This is what the Magna Carta addressed and why Western Law is founded on. To revert to the time before the Magna Carta is to go back to the Dark Ages of Absolute Rule

Which takes us all the way back to the start where I stated I disagreed with the author that Dick Cheney should be singled out for prosecution. Equal protection in the eyes of the law, ya know!


And as I said you're reading to much into it, read the article.


He changed his fucking mind from not persue the crimes due to Cheney's behavior


Seriously Boaner Jerk Off

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I think some folks need to read They Thought They Were Free.
The above excerpt is a great summation.
My dilemma is that I believe the world is an illusion and everything that happens is a joke in the grand scheme of things. However, I feel compelled to get involved in these events because I might learn something of value to myself. I could just ride out my days in seclusion, in denial of what is going on in the world beyond. It just doesn't mean anything to me. All action in support of or against any ideology or religion or policy is just folly. Contrived and spiritually infantile. That is the biggest shame with a material existence - the limitations on perceptive reality. No matter what I believe, deep in my unconscious is the sum total of all the 'lessons' that life has put in my way to shape my reality. For all my belief that I can walk on water, I just sink. I still haven't got the nack. The spoon is still too real to bend.
What I'd ultimately like to say is John Lennon was right. He got it. War is over if you want it. Very simple, very true. Many people every day realise that they have a choice in every moment of their lives. It makes reality so different. Even Justice becomes obsolete in its ethical chaos, because what is truly important to us - that part of us which is eternal, the vastness of our minds or spirit or whatever you want to call it, has no need for the drama. We will all die for our beliefs in the end.

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OOOOOOOOOOH I want this fucker in Jail!!!!!!!!

Never gonna happen! Best to move on and not waste the energy! Reflect upon your vacation and the space you want to be in is time better spent. Eye-wink

Well...technically if he travels to some countries where he is classified as a war criminal he would be in jail. Unfortunately, I'm positive he already knows that.

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there was soo much i had to say but after reading the thread i think most of it has been more than covered .so all i can do now is state my oppinion. Lock that M_EFFER up! Cheers Mate!

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In supermax. Put him with Ramsey Youssef! Cheers Mate!

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He’s digging his own grave

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However...we have not been attacked again since 2001 have we? Let's see if Obama can say as much 4-8 years from now.

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However...we have not been attacked again since 2001 have we? Let's see if Obama can say as much 4-8 years from now.

 

If he can make that claim are you then going to acknowledge he must be doing a great job with Homeland Security?

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However...we have not been attacked again since 2001 have we? Let's see if Obama can say as much 4-8 years from now.

Ahhh, that old chestnut.  If we weren't attacked again because Cheney didn't let it happen, it stands to reason that we were attacked because he did.

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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

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