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Critics Decry Obama's 'Indoctrination' Plan for Students

FOXNews.com. By Joshua Rhett Miller

A suggested lesson plan that calls on school kids to write letters to themselves about what they can do to help President Obama is troubling some education experts, who say it establishes the president as a "superintendent in chief" and may indoctrinate children to support him politically.

But the White House says the speech is merely "designed to encourage kids to stay in school."

Obama will deliver a national address directly to students on Tuesday, which will be the first day of classes for many children across the country. The address, to be broadcast live on the White House's Web site, was announced in a letter to school principals last week by Education Secretary Arne Duncan.

Obama intends to "challenge students to work hard, set educational goals and take responsibility for their learning," Duncan wrote. Obama will also call for a "shared responsibility" among students, parents and educators to maximize learning potential.

"The goal of the speech and the lesson plans is to challenge students to work hard in school, to not drop out and to meet short-term goals like behaving in class, doing their homework and goals that parents and teachers alike can agree are noble," Tommy Vietor, a White House spokesman, told FOXNews.com. "This isn't a policy speech. This is a speech designed to encourage kids to stay in school."

But in advance of the address, the Department of Education has offered educators "classroom activities" to coincide with Obama's message.

Students in grades pre-K-6, for example, are encouraged to "write letters to themselves about what they can do to help the president. These would be collected and redistributed at an appropriate later date by the teacher to make students accountable to their goals."

Teachers are also given guidance to tell students to "build background knowledge about the president of the United States by reading books about presidents and Barack Obama."

During the speech, "teachers can ask students to write down key ideas or phrases that are important or personally meaningful."

For grades 7-12, the Department of Education suggests teachers prepare by excerpting quotes from Obama's speeches on education for their students to contemplate -- and ask as questions such as "Why does President Obama want to speak with us today? How will he inspire us? How will he challenge us?"

Activities suggested for after the speech include asking students "what resonated with you from President Obama's speech? What lines/phrase do you remember?"

Obama announced his intention to deliver the address to students during an interview with Damon Weaver, a middle school student from Florida who gained a following of his own last year on the campaign trail for his interviews of high-profile figures.

The Department of Education is using the president's address to kick off a video contest titled, "I Am What I Learn," in which students are invited to submit videos of up to two minutes on the importance of education in achieving their dreams.

Obama's critics say the lesson plans and the president's calls for a "supportive community" are troubling on many levels.

"In general, I don't think there's a problem if the president uses the bully pulpit to tell kids to work hard, study hard and things like that. But there are some troubling hints in this, both educationally and politically," said Neal McCluskey, associate director of Cato Institute's Center for Educational Freedom.

Among the concerns, McCluskey said, is the notion that students who do not support Obama or his educational policies will begin the school year "behind the eight ball," or somehow academically trailing their peers.

"It essentially tries to force kids to say the president and the presidency is inspiring, and that's very problematic," McCluskey said. "It's very concerning that you would do that."

Parents of public school students would also have to pay for that "indoctrination," regardless of their political background, he said.

"That's the fundamental problem. They could easily be funding the indoctrination of their children."

Meanwhile, Patti Kinney, a former teacher and middle school principal with 33 years of teaching experience, said she found nothing wrong with the lesson plans.

"They're designed as a menu, so it doesn't mean you have to do everything," said Kinney, associate director for middle level services at the National Association of Secondary School Principals. "You have to pick and choose which will work best for your class."

Kinney said suggestions like asking students to recall "other historic moments" when the president spoke to the nation and to hone their listening skills by taking notes during the address are useful.

"You're asking them to listen to particular things and to take notes," she said. "That's a good teaching strategy to help students develop their listening skills."

Asked if she was troubled by the suggestion that students write letters "about what they can do to help the president," Kinney said she would have reworked that sentence.

"I would have probably reworded that to say goals the president is suggesting," Kinney said. "But again, you call upon teacher expertise to do what's appropriate with their students ... I did not see anything that I saw as problematic."

Frederick Hess, director of education policy studies at the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank, said the suggested lesson plans cross the line between instruction and advocacy.

"I don't think it's appropriate for teachers to ask students to help promote the president's preferred school reforms and policies," Hess said. "It very much starts to set up the president as a superintendent in chief."

Amid the debate on the federal government's level of involvement on issues like health care and others, Hess said, "There's a lot of people" on both sides of the political spectrum who will rightfully be concerned with the president's call to action.

"It shows exactly what the problem is," he said. "This is going to open the door to all kinds of concerns."

After reading the Department of Education lesson plans for the speech, McCluskey said he noticed several passages that should set off "alarm bells," including language that attempts to "glorify President Obama" in the minds of young students.

"It could be a blatantly political move," he said. "Nobody knows for sure, but it gives that impression."

McCluskey also noted that the lesson plans for young students contain suggestions to write letters to themselves on how they can help the president, but that suggestion is not in the lesson plan for middle and high schoolers -- perhaps due to the likelihood of increased political ties at that age.

"You don't want to see this coming from the president," McCluskey said. "You don't want to see this coming from the federal government."

 

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Well I guess I should figure on a call from the school system when my son tells them to cram this B.S right up their sheople asses.  There was another guy that was involved with schools and indoctirnation, anyone remember him?

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Wow never thought that the young generation of today will have a lesson plan on how to help the president. As the saying goes the future of tomorrow lies to the young ones. Shocked

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I agree. There's something about this that doesn't sit well with me. Public indoctrination of children is a trick Hitler used as well. And to refer the further ruination of this country by placing us hopelessly in debt as "history" is as bad as it gets.

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Surprisingly, I am witholding judgement on this one until I hear what exactly is going to be said. If his message is truly just that kids should be responsible for themselves and their actions and stay in school, I don't have an issue with it. The right wing pundits are trying to whip this into a frenzy and have no idea what it's really about.

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I once did something like this in school, but I still hated Tony Blair's guts because he was a total shitbrick. Can't remember what I wrote though.

Kids can be influenced easily, that's a fact, but the ones with two brain cells to rub together eventually make their own choices. The rest join Westboro Baptist Church.

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This is wrong, plain and simple.  The Commun ity Organizer will use this to introduce children to politics and then indoctinate them so as to have an entire generation programmed to support his socialist beliefs.

Obama go fuck yourself!

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Surprisingly, I am witholding judgement on this one until I hear what exactly is going to be said. If his message is truly just that kids should be responsible for themselves and their actions and stay in school, I don't have an issue with it. The right wing pundits are trying to whip this into a frenzy and have no idea what it's really about.

Really? So it doesn't bother you in the least that this president has decided the best time to launch his humanitarian "stay in school, don't be a fool" sentiment is during the first day of school during school hours at the cost of taxpayers?  Heaven knows we have so many elementary school drop outs 

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He's giving students a speech at school about staying in school. Yea, that's just crazy.... {roll eyes} Seems like the perfect place to address students to me.

"During school hours, at the cost of the taxpayer"


The whole freaking school is on the dime of the taxpayer. As is the salary of the President...What's your point? Again, as long as it is a message about staying in school and he's not pushing an agenda (like healthcare) or campaigning.

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Surprisingly, I am witholding judgement on this one until I hear what exactly is going to be said. If his message is truly just that kids should be responsible for themselves and their actions and stay in school, I don't have an issue with it. The right wing pundits are trying to whip this into a frenzy and have no idea what it's really about.

Really? So it doesn't bother you in the least that this president has decided the best time to launch his humanitarian "stay in school, don't be a fool" sentiment is during the first day of school during school hours at the cost of taxpayers?  Heaven knows we have so many elementary school drop outs 

Schools have always been about indoctrination.  There is always a fight about whose values are at the top of the syllabus.  I am wary of a president seeking young minds as marchers in his/her parade, but what elementary school student in this country doesn't already think the president is a deity?  I, too, will watch and see... Heaven knows FoxNews is full of Chicken Littles.

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The taxpayer argument doesn't really hold water. When you look at how much of the taxpayer money gets wasted on things we neither need or care about, the amount of money lost by the schools from a visit by the president (also funded by the taxpayer) is practically nil.

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He's giving students a speech at school about staying in school. Yea, that's just crazy.... {roll eyes} Seems like the perfect place to address students to me.

"During school hours, at the cost of the taxpayer"


The whole freaking school is on the dime of the taxpayer. As is the salary of the President...What's your point? Again, as long as it is a message about staying in school and he's not pushing an agenda (like healthcare) or campaigning.

The point is I am paying taxes so my kid is educated, not lectured about staying in school by some GOVCO shirt, because obviously if he is IN school he don't need a lecture. Talk about preaching to the choir. And then to write some papers on it? Your kidding me. How about my son takes his calc class, and then his english class and LEARNS something and writes some papers on that instead.

So are you saying since we pay for schools and the presidents salary's both it is just fine he does this? Yea right Boan. This is a great and cost efficient way to spend tax dollars on education. Do you think I am paying the presidents salary so he can do public service announcements? And kids will listen because of who it is, yup will turn those slackers right around. Uh Huh Hey maybe we can get the Education Czar to make morning announcements too. That should make the JV bake sale a success right?

 And lets just say for the sake of it can be on the "up and up", why not make this so that the american family can view and discuss this together in the home? why does it need to be through the schools? It is the parents that have the responcibility to make sure kids are educated Be it home school or otherwise. Why not reach ALL students and not just public school kids.  Yup can't wait to see what this message is all about.

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The taxpayer argument doesn't really hold water. When you look at how much of the taxpayer money gets wasted on things we neither need or care about, the amount of money lost by the schools from a visit by the president (also funded by the taxpayer) is practically nil.
   You've got to be kidding me. You are suggesting this is okay since we waste money on friviolous things anyway? This is just a drop in the bucket. Yea well I disagree, let the president focus o his job, which is not education BTW

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School time should be about learning the basics first and foremost.  From what I have read there are lesson plans being developed by the liberal left and the unions that support this crap.  Mr. President focus on creating jobs so that students have something to be rewarded with after completeing their studies!

 

I see this move as just another power grab and further indoctrination of the next generation to embrace socialism.  We should never have created the Department of Education - all it has accomplished is a dumbig down of America!

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School time should be about learning the basics first and foremost.  From what I have read there are lesson plans being developed by the liberal left and the unions that support this crap.  Mr. President focus on creating jobs so that students have something to be rewarded with after completeing their studies!

 

I see this move as just another power grab and further indoctrination of the next generation to embrace socialism.  We should never have created the Department of Education - all it has accomplished is a dumbig down of America!

But we needed day care so that the American dad could go out and make his living in a factory away from his family...

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Like schools do anything, it's all rote and memorization, which isn't learning. You can recite the periodic table all you like but can you explain the mechanics? Well, neither can I.

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Like schools do anything, it's all rote and memorization, which isn't learning. You can recite the periodic table all you like but can you explain the mechanics? Well, neither can I.

So I can only assume you are a product of public education!  I not only can recite the periodic table but also can explain the mechanics of molecular exchange.  But then I went to private schools until I went to college. Rolling on the floor laughing

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The point is I am paying taxes so my kid is educated, not lectured about staying in school by some GOVCO shirt, because obviously if he is IN school he don't need a lecture. Talk about preaching to the choir. And then to write some papers on it? Your kidding me. How about my son takes his calc class, and then his english class and LEARNS something and writes some papers on that instead.

You are paying (me too BTW) so that your kid can be indoctrinated in whatever the state (broad definition meaning the government in general) decides to indoctrinate them in. To get your panties in a wad over some, as of yet unknown speech by the President, while they are being taught that FDR's new deal was great, social programs are awesome and when you get in a bind turn to big GOVCO is disengenoius and dramatic. Everyone that your child comes into contact with at school is "some GOVCO shirt". If he's being lectured to stay in school by the principal or the President where is the difference?

BTW....everyone that drops out of school...................attended school before they dropped out.

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So are you saying since we pay for schools and the presidents salary's both it is just fine he does this? Yea right Boan. This is a great and cost efficient way to spend tax dollars on education. Do you think I am paying the presidents salary so he can do public service announcements? And kids will listen because of who it is, yup will turn those slackers right around. Uh Huh Hey maybe we can get the Education Czar to make morning announcements too. That should make the JV bake sale a success right?

State of the Union, Press Conferences, National Addresses....umm well yea I do actually.

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And lets just say for the sake of it can be on the "up and up", why not make this so that the american family can view and discuss this together in the home? why does it need to be through the schools? It is the parents that have the responcibility to make sure kids are educated Be it home school or otherwise. Why not reach ALL students and not just public school kids.  Yup can't wait to see what this message is all about.

It will be available for all to view and discuss......It's called You Tube.

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BTW....everyone that drops out of school...................attended school before they dropped out.

Thank you mr States the Obvious, none of us could figure that out. But did YOU know thats not first and second graders? Why it isn't even seventh and eight graders! Why would that be? Hmmmm Who is responcible to keep kids in school? Hmmmm?

 

so that your kid can be indoctrinated in whatever the state (broad definition meaning the government in general) decides to indoctrinate them in. To get your panties in a wad over some, as of yet unknown speech by the President while they are being taught that FDR's new deal was great, social programs are awesome and when you get in a bind turn to big GOVCO is disengenoius and dramatic. Everyone that your child comes into contact with at school is "some GOVCO shirt".   

  So who exactly is disengenoius and dramatic? Would that be you?

  Again your making assumptions that parents are not involved in the educational process or in addressing the validity of what the child is taught. Yea they are Govco shirts, all the more reason to make sure your on top of the B.S thats shoveled as fact and this might be shocking to you boan but some of us actually are very involved in what our kids learn 

 

 If he's being lectured to stay in school by the principal or the President where is the difference?

 

The difference the president knows nothing of my child and the principal does. The principal is paid to manage the schools, I expect him to do the job he was hired for, if Obama wanted to be involved in education he should have got a job as a Principal. This is inappropriate when the world has other major things that need the presidents attention. So how is this foray into education running the country exactly?

State of the Union, Press Conferences, National Addresses....umm well yea I do actually. .

Why does that not surprise me? So tell me all those things result in teachers that are getting paid just standing around not doing their jobs while the president decides to play guidence counselor and moral cheerleader -isn't that what parents and churches are for?? And again why wasn't this done at a family time outside the school so ALL children could benefit from this deep caring of our nations education?? I dunno like the State of the Union Adresses are? - then it might justify the cost but thats not what is happenening is it   and that don't strike you as the least bit curious?

I don't agree The cost is not comparable... nice try Boan if you believe it I am happy for you

 

It will be available for all to view and discuss......It's called You Tube.

Oh I intend to be watching it on TV live. Yes and the discussions will be interesting  Till then you will have to find something else to attempt to argue about 

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Reason I can't is because I suck at chemistry, I'm far better at geography and languages. I used to have a really good, and I mean amazing French teacher. He was a native speaker, and was also a university professor in languages, fluent in English, French, and Irish.

Then uh, he contracted cancer, had to take a while off for treatment, and he ended up quitting because he couldn't even walk for the pain. He got better though.

>_< The replacement teacher was a useless bitch, I learned more from that guy in two weeks than she taught us in two years!!

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Yes there are some amazing teachers that go beyond just spitting out book outline material. I was fortunate to have a few like that, so was my son. As a parent I understood alot of the learning process had to happen through the home, I made sure my kid got to the resources that helped him understand fine points often missed in the classroom. He's no saint, did awful in chemistry.

 Some of the techniques the school taught were just weird, I remember the math early on, some goofy teacher devised this magical peanut crap for factoring- I taught the kid the right method,  only three kid passed that class and my son was one of them. that teacher was gone the next year. 

 There is no excuse for Johnny not being able to read, I blame that on the parents first, and then the schools. Those are the primary people who are responcible to get through to the kids.

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From what I have witnessed the public educational system does a poor job.  This is not something new but has only gotten worse over the years.

I recall competing with guys who had undergraduate and graduate degrees while I was gong through my medical training in the military - I had one year of college at the time.  We started with 80 students and by the end of the training we ended up graduating only 17 people from the program.  Oddly enough 12 of us were from the private system and only 5 that survived had been through the public system.  That alone says something about the state of public education.  We were all highly motivated because we knew if you got cut from the program your next set of orders would be for Viet Nam!

I guess my point is that they lacked a good solid basic education and there was no time for catch up.  You either made the cuts or started to practice cleaning a weapon!

Not sure what the answer is for that system but it certainly needs an overhaul.  I admire those parents who sacrifice a lot to send their children to private schools or home schooling.  In the long run the kids benefit and are far more capable of competing in the "real world".  There are exceptions I know but the statistics speak for themselves.  There is absolutely no acceptable excuse why this nation has slipped in international rankings for education.

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Agreed on that. If you attend school and leave illiterate, there are only three explanations.

1: You have a severe mental of physical disability.
2: You didn't pay attention.
3: You had 13 consecutive years of SHITTY teachers.

It's usually #2, my old boss makes anyone looking for a job at the company take a spelling and math test. Just some fairly advanced words, multiplication, division, a bit of algebra as well...

I looked through a red folder (yes, the dreaded RED folder) one time and said to my boss "This guy graduated from college and he spelled 'Lose' with two O's!?", and my boss said "I told him to leave by the third-floor window and he almost did!"

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Agreed on that. If you attend school and leave illiterate, there are only three explanations.

1: You have a severe mental of physical disability.
2: You didn't pay attention.
3: You had 13 consecutive years of SHITTY teachers.

It's usually #2, my old boss makes anyone looking for a job at the company take a spelling and math test. Just some fairly advanced words, multiplication, division, a bit of algebra as well...

I looked through a red folder (yes, the dreaded RED folder) one time and said to my boss "This guy graduated from college and he spelled 'Lose' with two O's!?", and my boss said "I told him to leave by the third-floor window and he almost did!"

Too funny!  But hey some people follow all instructions literally!  That is why we refer to them as SHEEP!

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From what I have witnessed the public educational system does a poor job.  This is not something new but has only gotten worse over the years.

Oh I totally agree AO

  We were all highly motivated because we knew if you got cut from the program your next set of orders would be for Viet Nam!  I guess my point is that they lacked a good solid basic education and there was no time for catch up.  You either made the cuts or started to practice cleaning a weapon!

Yes very true, todays kids grow up thinking they will just find away and end up just like Hanah Montana, rich, cute and in the limelight  there just seems to be a real illusion of values that matter. You would think survival would be high on the list of motivational factors but it really don't seem to be. What I did was make sure my son saw first hand the good and bad things in life. It made it real when he heard successful people tell him what they did and could see the life it gave them, and then when he saw what the inner city was really like it was like damn, why would I want that?  School then seemed like a small issue, very short part of life that effects the whole life!

 

 I admire those parents who sacrifice a lot to send their children to private schools or home schooling.  In the long run the kids benefit and are far more capable of competing in the "real world". 

Oh Yea totally agree! When the day came to make the decision I chose public over private because I felt that he would have to learn to deal with the collective eventually so why not submerge him in it completely right from the beginning. You just have to review every thing and be certain the information given  is correct, when it is wrong you take the kid to other resource areas and let them make the realization of the facts on their own. Then they are in a position to critically think and ask the right questions. They learn how to find answers and not just be spoonfed rhetoric.

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You sound like a good parent, MockingBird. Like anything, schools (both public and private) has its good and bad teachers.

I was lucky.

In high school, the teacher that gave me an interest in technology was a high school electronics teacher at a public school. He was responsible for designing the electronic ignition systems in SAAB automobiles during the 70's. He also had a shortwave radio (including video - slow scan) back in those days. It was a lot of fun going over to his house after school and sampling what technology had to offer back in those days. He got me interested. His classes were something to look forward to, and not work. He did great things for myself and his students. And that happened in little old Green Bay, WI.

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I have no real issue with the President delivering a speech to students, what I have a problem with is the promotion of any political view in the speech and of course the administration supplying a lesson plan as part of the deal!

Obama needs to stop campaigning and actually do some fucking work!  Fortunately many of his initial supporters have come to realize the "Change" promised is not what they actually want or needed.

The local school district here in Oregoin has decided not to make his speech/indoctrination/propganda part of the very chaotic first day of classes for students.  Great call, they decided to review the lesson plans and the speech and then decide if it is appropraite and fits into their pre-established course of instruction.  Not a popular decision according to some, yet even the local DNC chair person supports it!   I guess even some in Obama's own party are becoming alarmed and concerned about the promised "Change".

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Yup, campaigning happens -before- the election. Once you're elected, you need to get your arse in gear and fulfill those oh-so awesome promises you've made and -not- kept.

Obama forgets that a lot of people in the South still hate black people, and if a petition for impeachment comes in, it'll fill up with countless signatures overnight. He can't get away with the same screwups Bush made, if he crosses the line, he'll be out of office in a heartbeat.

Gotta love America huh?

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We do love 'America' [the U.S.], that is why we're ANGRY. 

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Fremen wrote:

We do love 'America' [the U.S.], that is why we're ANGRY. 

Right on!  Angry yes, but not enough to take back what we have lost.

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The more I read Jefferson the more my opinion of him as being an Anarchist!

 

Let the REVOLUTION BEGIN!


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I still think this is a big deal over nothing. Why don't they just meet halfway and make the statement in the evenings? That way, parents who want their kids to see it can make them sit down and watch it before dinner. Parents who are making a big deal can watch something else.

PROBLEM. SOLVED.

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I'm waiting on this, can't wait to read Howzit Brudda

The Adams Jefferson Letters

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