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Greece. A glimpse at future USA?

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Greece. A glimpse at future USA?

For anyone not familiar, Greece has a huge economic and financial problem. You can read more HERE. They are having protests, riots and just general civil unrest. Most countries have quit lending them money so their economy, based on overspending, is on the brink of collapse. They may have to do, what is for a country, the equivilent of filing bankruptcy. They are predicted t be in a severe recession / depression for years to come.

Why the comparison to the United States? Greece's debt, as a percetage of GDP, is over 100. I have seen it stated as between 108 - 120%.

The CBO recently reported that Obama's 2011 budget will generate $1 trillion dollar a year deficits and this will result in a 90% debt as a percetage of GDP. That is awful close to the point where Greece is now. Especially considering that these estimates are historically low on the spending side and economic growth tends to stall when debt ratios get that high. It also doesn't mention if health care and/or social security is figured in.

The bottom line is we need to revamp our economic policy and fast. This whole concept that we will just keep spending is dangerous. Now while things are on a downturn is a good time to start rolling back spending as things get better and increase. Without a change we can be looking at the same situation as Greece in a decade or less.

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Here is another good article on the situation.

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As the EU collaspes under the economic weight of socialism, Obama wants to become more like them.  This guy isn't all that bright after all!

 

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Yes, it's getting scary.

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I think we should elect historians only, then just maybe we can learn from the mistakes of the past!  Then maybe that isn't a great idea either, after all the history books are filled with propaganda!  I recall FDR being promoted as the end all be all and actually just the opposite is true when you review his policies and their outcome.

 

I am convinced we are doomed as the nation we once were on many levels.  C'est la vie!

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I believe you to be at least somewhat correct. I think the current generations don't believe "it can happen to them." Only the oldest generation lived through the great depression and even at that they were very young. Many in that generation are probably "set" already so it affects them little. Any generations younger than that can't imagine life without there "shiny things".

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Re: Greece. A glimpse at future USA?

My two bits, I think we're going to be going into another tail spin.

I hope I'm wrong, fuck do I hope I'm wrong.

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All indicators point to further economic turmoil, nationally and internationally.  From what I have observed, you apparently can't borrow and spend and expect to remove yourself from suffocating debt.  Go figure!

Greece is just the beginning of the EU's problems.  The spot light for the moment is upon them and several other member states aren't looking so good either.  Then there is the U.S. as we are perched percariously upon the edge of collapse. 

As summer approaches I see no real significant increase in say construction projects, the real estate that is selling is in larger part resulting from investor acquisitions.  When we can see labor returning to work (white\blue\no collar) then we can anticipate some moderate gains at the street level.  My guess is that won't be this year, about all we can hope for is some pre-election spending to secure votes as usual.

 

Given the scope of the rising events I am going fishing to relax and ponder the fresh air, sunshine, water in a natural pure state and peace and quiet.  Have a great day.

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