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U.S. Cancelling European Missile Shield

U.S. replaces Bush plan for Europe missile shield
Reuters - Sept 17, 09

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama on Thursday scrapped a Bush-era missile defense plan for Europe that Russia had bitterly opposed and offered what he said would be faster, more flexible defense systems to protect against Iran.

In a move that could spur fears of resurgent Kremlin influence, Obama said he had approved recommendations from U.S. military leaders to shift focus to defending against Iran's short- and medium-range missiles.

"This new approach will provide capabilities sooner, build on proven systems and offer greater defenses against the threat of missile attack," Obama said, dropping plans of his White House predecessor George W. Bush for ground-based interceptors in Poland and a related radar site in the Czech Republic.

Under the new plan, the U.S. would initially deploy ships with missile interceptors and in a second phase would field land-based defense systems.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev hailed the decision, which removed an issue clouding U.S. efforts to enlist Russian support on Afghanistan, Iran and nuclear arms control.

"We value the U.S. president's responsible approach toward implementing our agreements," Medvedev said in an address shown on national television. "I am ready to continue the dialogue."

Critics accused the White House of dangerous weakness.

Senator John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate who lost to Obama in 2008, blasted the move as "seriously misguided" and former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton, a leading Bush-era hawk, was scathing.

"It's just unambiguously a bad decision," Bolton said. "Russia and Iran are the big winners. I just think it's a bad day for American national security."

The Bush administration had proposed the system amid concerns Iran was trying to develop nuclear warheads it could mount on long-range missiles. But Russia saw it as a threat to its own missile defenses and overall security.

Obama's move toward a more flexible shield for Europe was good news for Lockheed Martin Corp, the Pentagon's No. 1 supplier, and Raytheon Co, the world's biggest missile maker. They build much of the hardware on which the revamped approach relies. It was bad news for Boeing Co, prime contractor for the canceled installation of 10 two-stage ground-based interceptors in Poland.

THE NEW APPROACH

Outlining Obama's new approach, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said the United States would deploy Aegis-equipped ships with interceptors capable of shooting down ballistic missiles to defend both European allies and U.S. forces.

Gates said land-based defense systems would be fielded in a second phase starting in about 2015.

"Those who say we are scrapping missile defense in Europe are either misinformed or misrepresenting the reality of what we are doing," Gates said.

Signaling the administration's view it still has some breathing space, one U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Tehran was not expected to develop long-range missile capability before 2018.

Marine Corps General James Cartwright, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the Pentagon also envisioned eventually deploying a land-based radar as part of the system which would ideally be based in the Caucasus.

Obama's plan contains elements that may still upset Moscow -- interceptor missiles could still be stationed in Poland, and also in the Czech Republic, and a radar in the Caucasus is in an area Russia sees as its sphere of influence.

But the Pentagon played down those potential concerns, saying the SM-3 missile interceptors in the new system could not be tipped with nuclear warheads and the radar would be configured only to look south toward Iran, not deep into Russia as in the Bush plan.

Analysts said investors could see some long-term trade and other benefits if the U.S. missile decision improves relations with Russia, but noted that there were also risks if Moscow ended up in taking a more assertive posture.

Lockheed Martin shares were up 4.46 percent at $79.56 on the New York Stock Exchange on Thursday. Raytheon was up 3.36 percent at $47.72 and Boeing Co was up 1 percent at $52.88.

NO QUID PRO QUO

The White House rejected Republican charges it had made a major concession to Moscow without winning anything in return. "This is not about Russia," White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said, adding there was no quid pro quo expected.

But other Democrats said they hoped for a pay-off on Iran policy where Russia is seen as a reluctant partner in efforts to end Tehran's nuclear program.

"It is time for Russia to join our push to impose stricter sanctions on Iran," Democratic Senator Charles Schumer said.

Discarding Bush's missile shield plan could also remove an obstacle to winning a deal with Russia on a replacement for a major nuclear arms reduction treaty that expires in December.

Republicans -- who hope to build momentum against Obama after a summer dominated by angry debate over his healthcare reform plan -- wasted no time assigning blame.

"The reported decision to scrap missile defense for Europe sounds dangerously like a policy of appeasement," Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the ranking Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said in a statement.

Such fears were likely to grow in eastern European states, many of which had seen the large missile plan as a symbol of U.S. commitment to the defense against any encroachment by its former Soviet rulers 20 years after the end of communist rule.

Obama informed the Czech and Polish governments of his decision just hours before the announcement, officials said. In Poland, Foreign Minister Radoslaw Sikorski said the United States would still go ahead with plans to station a battery of armed Patriot missiles on Polish soil.

Some European analysts said the U.S. move could help the traditionally pro-American region to build a more pragmatic relationship with both Washington and Moscow.

A senior Iranian government source said the move could signal a move away from what he called 'threats and confrontation' over Iran's nuclear program.

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Well I can now say I agree with something out of this Administration, why the fuck are we protecting Europe?  We need to cut our forces there by at least 75% and they need to pay for their own fucking defense.  I'm sick and tired of funding their defense and they have $$$$ to dump into the likes of Airbus and other shit.

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We are still setting up a missile shield - just one that is appropriate for the limited-range missiles Iran is known to have.

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Yeah I jumped the gun a bit, we're "scaling it down", but it's a start.  What we need to do is as I stated pull 75% of our forces OUT and let them defend themselves.  But then we'd have to have jobs here in the U.S. to be able to absorb the personel wouldn't we?

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We need those National Guardspeople to combat the private security forces that are going to mobilise to put us in the concentration camps as soon as the flu breaks out.

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Better missle defense systems than putting boots on the ground IMO.  THe system that was cancelled BTW was for long range missles and it was a defensive system primarily.  This may be pleasing to some but the fact is the cancelled project was a minor set piece on the board of world politics.  Obama IMO must be a terrible poker player, he gave up a hold card without even a blink from the Russians.  Let's see if he actually gets any cooperation from them on issues like Iran, Afganistan, or Georgia - my money says no!

I personally like missles, they are cool to look at, engineering marvels, fly faster than a pound of falling bird shit, way coooler than a roman candle at night and they can deliver a variety of packages on time to a precise location.  Now that is far more efficient than the U.S. Postal Service, UPS and Fed-X combined!

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Better missle defense systems than putting boots on the ground IMO.  THe system that was cancelled BTW was for long range missles and it was a defensive system primarily.  This may be pleasing to some but the fact is the cancelled project was a minor set piece on the board of world politics.  Obama IMO must be a terrible poker player, he gave up a hold card without even a blink from the Russians.  Let's see if he actually gets any cooperation from them on issues like Iran, Afganistan, or Georgia - my money says no!

I personally like missles, they are cool to look at, engineering marvels, fly faster than a pound of falling bird shit, way coooler than a roman candle at night and they can deliver a variety of packages on time to a precise location.  Now that is far more efficient than the U.S. Postal Service, UPS and Fed-X combined!

If Europe wants it, let them pay for it and for us to run it.  If they don't wanna pay for it, fuck em we have our own problems to worry about.

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Pagan are you feeling a bit like an isolationist? Rolling on the floor laughing

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Pagan are you feeling a bit like an isolationist? Rolling on the floor laughing

Isolationist?  Yeah right Jerk Off

It's called being fed up with taking on the role of World Police at the cost of putting ourselves in finacial slavery so other country's can work on their own prosperity since they don't have to pay for their own defense.

Reality, what a fucking concept he?  Sheep

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AstuteObserver wrote:

Pagan are you feeling a bit like an isolationist? Rolling on the floor laughing

Isolationist?  Yeah right Jerk Off

It's called being fed up with taking on the role of World Police at the cost of putting ourselves in finacial slavery so other country's can work on their own prosperity since they don't have to pay for their own defense.

Reality, what a fucking concept he?  Sheep

I hear you - I have decided to just laugh at the absurdity of it all and concern myself with more personal pursuits.  I am totally immersed in locating HAPPINESS as my adventure in this world.

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Pagan wrote:

AstuteObserver wrote:

Pagan are you feeling a bit like an isolationist? Rolling on the floor laughing

Isolationist?  Yeah right Jerk Off

It's called being fed up with taking on the role of World Police at the cost of putting ourselves in finacial slavery so other country's can work on their own prosperity since they don't have to pay for their own defense.

Reality, what a fucking concept he?  Sheep

I hear you - I have decided to just laugh at the absurdity of it all and concern myself with more personal pursuits.  I am totally immersed in locating HAPPINESS as my adventure in this world.

Yep, that's why I've been rat holing 1/3 of my gross to buy my slice of Eden here -

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