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Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

Illegal to Grow Own Food
Congress is about to make it illegal to grow your own food, or for "any farm" not to purchase and use government mandated chemicals, additives, and pesticides on all food consumed in the United States. Violations are subject to a fine of up to $1,000,000/day.
Mar 11, 09

HR 875
Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009


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You mean I can`t grow my

You mean I can`t grow my garden in my own yard? That`s not fair. Where did you read this? I`m almost ready to start planting.

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lilbit wrote:You mean I

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You mean I can`t grow my garden in my own yard? That`s not fair. Where did you read this? I`m almost ready to start planting.

It's HR 875, follow the link Eye-wink

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I didn't get that from this

I didn't get that from this Bill.
However, the way it is written is so general and puts the power of enforcement into the hands of a new agency headed (probably) by a former Admin of Monsanto. The broadness of legislation anymore is set up to enable infiltration and assumption of corporate power through appointments.
I am a fighter for organic growing and sustainable farming practices, which already have regulatory system, however...

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You got it right Fremen the

You got it right Fremen the language is so broad and terms undefined that pretty much anything can be imposed depending upon the whim of the moment! you have to give these guys gold stars for running it up the flagpole - talk about having balls! Fuck them I will grow whatever I want on my land with teh non-hybrid seed inventory I have. Come and try to take it away or fine me and you will be introduced to Mr. Browning, Mr. Smith and Wesson and their distant cousin AK47.
hell when it's all over i might even acquire a taste for Freman's cannabalism (cooked though not raw)!
This bill simply smells of shit and I want all those who support it to eat just that!

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Well I am still going to

Well I am still going to start my garden. If I see something concrete saying I can`t I guess I`ll just have to dig it up. It`s not right at all to do this to us.

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Things like this usually

Things like this usually address things you plan to sell to the general public, and not for those items you wish to use or consume, yourself.

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If I see something concrete saying I can`t I guess I`ll just have to dig it up. It`s not right at all to do this to us.

Why would you even consider uprooting your garden? Would you require the farmer to destroy his fields too? This sort of legislation needs to be stopped before it is enacted!

One should always be suspicious of any proposed legislation that does not clearly define terms.

This proposal is for the benefit of the big corporate farmers, make no mistake about that. What you can anticipate in the short term would be higher prices and closure of most of the local farmers markets that offer a fresher and typically better product than the hybrid commercial products that look great yet lack flavor and nutritional value.

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That's just stupid. How can

That's just stupid.

How can anyone possibly have the right to stop you growing a few veggies in your own outdoor space?

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Google HR 875 Food Safety

Google HR 875 Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009

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NO, GO TO OPENCONGRESS!

NO, GO TO OPENCONGRESS!<- Link Eye-wink

Take time to read the comments that some people leave for specific items in the Bill, because it can help you understand and form opinions about the meanings of the mandates.
This resource is pretty great, actually, because it is all about transparency, so far...

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Great URL you provided

Great URL you provided Fremen! Extremely informative and filled with public comments and interpretations of the bill. Isn't it wonderful to witness the involvement of "We the People"!

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AstuteObserver wrote: Great

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Great URL you provided Fremen! Extremely informative and filled with public comments and interpretations of the bill. Isn't it wonderful to witness the involvement of "We the People"!

Yeah, I love it! It's totally resource-rich - especially the line-item commentary (I felt like a president with his red pen - "Veto here... and here... and that will not be enforced...") Evil
I set it up in my first post, but it wasn't as obvious...

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This is the first time i

This is the first time i heard about the idea, that it is illegal to grow your own food..i want to know more about it..thanks!!i am open to any ideas..

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bammer wrote: This is the

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This is the first time i heard about the idea, that it is illegal to grow your own food..i want to know more about it..thanks!!i am open to any ideas..

Check out #10 above...

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Grow pot, weaver your own

Grow pot, weaver your own cloth from the fiber, make tea from the leaves and fuck the government!

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Here is a summary of the bill

Here is a summary of the bill in more or less plain English:

Food Safety Modernization Act of 2009 - Establishes in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) the Food Safety Administration. Assigns all the authorities and responsibilities of the Secretary of Health and Human Services related to food safety to the Administrator of Food Safety. Transfers to the Administration all functions of specified federal agencies that relate to the administration or enforcement of food safety laws. Renames the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) the Federal Drug and Device Administration.
Directs the Administrator to:
(1) administer a national food safety program; and
(2) ensure that persons who produce, process, or distribute food prevent or minimize food safety hazards. Sets forth requirements for the Administrator to carry out such duties, including:
(1) requiring food establishments to adopt preventive process controls;
(2) enforcing performance standards for food safety;
(3) establishing an inspection program;
(4) strengthening and expanding foodborne illness surveillance systems;
(5) requiring imported food to meet the same standards as U.S. food; and
(6) establishing a national traceability system for food.
Requires the Administrator to:
(1) identify priorities for food safety research and data collection;
(2) maintain a DNA matching system and epidemiological system for foodborne illness identification, outbreaks, and containment;
(3) establish guidelines for a sampling system;
(4) establish a national public education program on food safety;
(5) conduct research on food safety; and
(6) establish a working group on foodborne illness surveillance.
Requires the Secretary, acting through the Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), to develop the Food-Borne Illness Health Registry.
Directs the Comptroller General to report on the federal resources being dedicated to foodborne illness and food safety research.
Sets forth provisions regarding prohibited acts, recalls, penalties for violations of food safety laws, whistleblower protections, and civil actions.

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Re: You got it right Fremen the

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Come and try to take it away or fine me and you will be introduced to Mr. Browning, Mr. Smith and Wesson and their distant cousin AK47.

AO, I'd say you have the righteous cause on your side, but I'm certain they have more of the characters listed above. Unfortunately people have been getting killed defending their natural rights for decades... Hell, centuries.

Hopefully there won't be much moronic enforcement of this law.

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Re: Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

I am not sure how this can be considered, Let us govern ourselves when it comes to things like what we eat or don't eat.

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Re: Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

I don't even see how they can enforce this. A lot of people grow their own food because they either like doing it, or they simply can't buy it due to being 100 miles from a store.

Growing your own food and eating it yourself, I don't see the problem with that. Selling it to others or giving it away, I can see problems arising from that. As adults, it is our right to gamble with our safety.

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I don't even see how they can enforce this. A lot of people grow their own food because they either like doing it, or they simply can't buy it due to being 100 miles from a store.

Growing your own food and eating it yourself, I don't see the problem with that. Selling it to others or giving it away, I can see problems arising from that. As adults, it is our right to gamble with our safety.

How can they enforce it?  Easily, $1,000 a day then put a lean on everything you currently and potentionally have.  Tyranny comes at you in the form of legislation and a breifcase today.

I've said numerous times, Government is the enemy and continues to prove itself so.

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Re: Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

Sorry- but are we reading the same text? In the first paragraph it is base to ´interstate commerce´.
Doesn´t that mean ´produced to sell inside the state´?
If so this does not hurt any garden fan. It is just for comercial working planters.
So if you plant to sell on the market, you have to do all this studd.

If you do it for yourself -without selling- you haven´t.

I do not see something pointing on a home garden owner.
Where do you find that exactly?

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Interstate commerce is between two states.

Intrastate commerce is within a state.

Insterstate commerce is only one of the items listed that is illegal.


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Re: Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

And, typical of bills for the past forty or so years, every line defining intention or applicability ends with "and any other purposes."  Smacks of "The new administrator will apply this how they like."

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If click on the link and click then on ´HR875 Foodsafety Modernization Act of 2009´the whole bill appear and there is no exact definition of grown food in you garden. It is not allowed to sell your own grown food and to share it with your neighbours.

It is loosy written.

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YOU CANT GIVE IT AWAY TO SOMEONE STARVING OR YOU CAN BE PROSECUTED............................SO DIG IN---AND DONT DIG IT UP....

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Re: Illegal to Grow Your Own Food

It's overregualtion without a doubt, However from the parts of it I have read, it's misrepresenting the bill to claim it makes it illegal to grow your own food on your own property.

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