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Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Oh how I like to laugh at all today’s Libertarians and fiscal Conservatives who try and claim Thomas Paine was a Classical Liberal in the mold of either today Libertarians or fiscal Conservatives.  Then they like to espouse that Classical Liberals are totally different than today’s Liberal and try and use the example that Classical Liberalism was all about the free market.  I hate to tell you guys that the market of the Founders like Paine, Jefferson and Smith was not in any form the free market that you dream about, nor does it have any true comparisons around today.  You should really put down the propaganda and fiction of Milton Friedman, Friedrich von Hayek and Ayn Rand and actually read Adam Smiths, “Wealth of Nations”.   

The Founders used a market with corporate control, regulation and protectionism.  A corporation in our Founders time could not cross state lines and could not last longer than the normal life of a man, only 10 to 40 years.  Adam Smith states this in his “Wealth of Nations” twelve times.  The Founders feared Corporate power as much as a tyrannical government.  They would be appalled at what rights and power the corporations have today.

Today’s Liberals are forward thinking, open minded, cares about the welfare of the people,  their health, housing, education, employment, civil rights, and their civil liberties.   The Founders were very progressive thinkers.   The documents that they authored (Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, and Bill of Rights) are based primarily on four “liberal” principles.  1.  Equality of rights and opportunity.  2.  E Pluribus Unum (unity within diversity),  3.  Religious freedom, 4.  The government’s responsibility to protect individual liberty while simultaneously ensuring our collective well-being.  Meaning they were forward thinking, open minded, cares about the welfare of the people,  their health, housing, education, employment, civil rights, and their civil liberties.  Sounds pretty close to me.
 
Then we have Glen Beck who thinks he is today’s version of Tom Paine.  Not even close Glen.  But we do have hundreds of Mental Institutions that have thousands of people who really think they are someone they are not.  Maybe someone should check to see if they are missing Glen so we can get him the mental health care he needs.

Thomas Paine was for progressive taxation, an estate tax and for social welfare.  He proposed Social Security in 1793, supporter of animal welfare, early supporter of feminism and women’s  rights, believed in free education  and government employment that is paid for by the estate taxes.  Sounds like a Modern Day Liberal to me.

For most if not all this information, try reading his “Rights of Man” vol 1 and 2, “Agrarian Justice” and “The Necessity of Taxation”.  You can find some of it online for free of you can buy the book, Thomas Paine, Collected Writings, provided by the Library of America.  You can also download Adam Smiths, “Wealth of Nations” for free in PDF.

Paine’s encounters with the Indians of North America made a deep impression. The ability of the Iroquois  to live in harmony with nature while achieving a democratic decision making process, helped him refine his thinking on how to organize society.

He was an early advocate of republicanism and liberalism, dismissing monarchy, and viewing government as a necessary evil. He opposed slavery, proposed universal, fre     public education, progressive taxation, guaranteed minimum income, and other ideas then considered to be radical.  Republicanism at the time of Paine meant the opposite of monarchy.

In “Agrarian justice “, Paine shows how land is not a human right, but is a possession of humanity in common.  Any ownership must be justified by the payment of taxes for the benefit of society.  He believed the earth, in its natural, uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race.’ In condemnation of land owners who let those without land starve, he declaims ‘… the first principle of civilization ought to have been, and ought still to be, that the condition of every person born into the world, after a state of civilization commences, ought not to be worse than if he had been born before that period.’

Here is some of Paine’s quotes:  

“Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary  evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one.”

"Government and the people do not in America constitute distinct bodies"

"And therefore it is to the good of the whole, as well as to the interest of the individual, that every one, who can, sets himself down to his business, and contributes his quota of taxes as one of the first duties he owes to his family, to himself, and to his country."

References:

http://political-philosophy.suite101.com/article.cfm/thomas_paines_agrarian_juustice  
http://www.tngenweb.org/campbell/hist-bogan/paine.html

http://www.ushistory.org/PAINE/
                        
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Paine

Thomas Paine, “Collected Writings”

Adam Smith, “Wealth of Nations”

Craig Nelson, “Thomas Paine, Enlightenment, Revolution and the Birth of Modern Nations”

Harvey J. Kaye, “Thomas Paine and the Promise of America”

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

tazzle's picture

As an atheist, I absolutely love Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason." Paine is the most classic debunker of the bible in American history. I love the way he referred to the Judeo-Christian god as "more demon than god." I always get a big kick out of the way Glenn Beck carries on about God and country and how American's have drifted away from Christianity. Then, he states that Paine is his favorite founding father; the one he most identifies with. This, more than anything, tells me he's never read Paine's writings. When Paine refers to the Book of Ruth as the least offensive of the books of the bible, but still portrays Ruth as an amoral little tramp that blackmailed a man into marriage, it just goes to show Paine's absolute contempt for the Judeo-Christian religion and what he calls it's "tyranny of the simple-minded." Well, Glenn, Paine is my favorite founding father, too. Try reading "The Age of Reason" someday and find out what Paine really thought about God and the bible and see why he was run out of the U.S. by evangelical Christians.

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Mysandrist Fool's picture

I would much prefer common sense and the ability to live within our means, which, BTW, is how most people dictate their own lives. I am careful with any labels or affiliations these days, as the aforementioned common sense gets thrown out the window with those labels and affiliations. THAT'S when it becomes an AGENDA.

Yes, it's COMMON SENSE!

Pagan's picture

Yes common sense is recognizing that with freedoms come responsibility and if you're not ready to accept responsibility you loose your freedom.

That and common sense also knowing that government is inherently corrupt, always has been, always will be.

Take a look at your Lord and Savior Obama Curtis, why aren't you screaming about him embracing and expanding the Bush Doctrine?

What's wrong, don't wanna speak out against your Lordship? Slap

Re: Yes, it's COMMON SENSE!

Mysandrist Fool's picture

That's a good point, Pagan. Obama has made the Bush expenditures look amateurish at best. Of course, Curtis will place the blame on Bush, thereby declaring two wrongs make a right. That, and signing statements, wiretapping and all of those other "changes" that were promised, simply backs up my pre-election comments of: "Its campaign season. I EXPECT to be lied to."

Ultimately, the voting populace must educate themselves and demand better from an already agenda driven media. The people actually DO have the power via public disclosure, Few use it, or even know of its significance.

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Boanerges's picture

Interesting that you begin trying to make a case for the founding fathers being somehow close to today's liberals and then continue by using Thomas Paine as an example who is not a signer of the Constitution and whose ideas you mention were not included in the Constitution. Surely they were omitted on purpose.

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Iratus-aves-hominis's picture

Thomas Paine has the claim to "Father of the Revolution".  Two of his phamplets you should make an attempt to read.  Common Sense and the Crisis.  Common Sense was the pro-independence phamplet that converted many people to the cause of independence.  George Washington had the crisis read out loud to his men at Valley Forge to raise their sprits.

Paine was good freinds with George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin
Franklin,
Gouverneur Morris, and Benjamin Rush.  Washington, Jefferson, Franklin and Rush were signers of the DOI and Morris is acredited to being the author of the preamble and several sections of the constitution and one of its signers. 

But this blog was not either the DOI or the constitution but about the characteristics of a man that may have been the first real Liberal of this country.  Though I really give that title to George Washington.  John Adams would get the title of First Conservative.

Thomas Paine was one of the Founding fathers of this country, one which was based on Liberalism.....

 

Curtis

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Mysandrist Fool's picture

So what is the point? WHEN does affiliation dictate common sense? I remain extremely confused by a broad brushed stroking analogy that appears to be a sad, sad attempt to somehow state that Obama is somehow like Thomas Paine, just based upon the fact that he is a "common sensed" liberal.

 

Maybe you should try using facts, instead of poor analogies to Thomas Paine to accomplish your "mission", Curtis.

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Boanerges's picture

I have read "Common Sense" but not the other.

Paine's writings about people living in isolated and then coming together in groups to make a society and government forming from that is the basis of my theory that government can only exist to take away the liberties of the governed.

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Pagan's picture

Well the big problem is there Curtis is there's a VAST difference between "Conservative" and "Liberal" between then and now which you completely fail in defining.  Adams was for a strong central Government which Paine and Jefferson were rabidly against.  So in reality today's "liberal" / "progressive" which you support is more in line with Adam's "Conservative" and is light years away from Jefferson's "Liberal".

So you calling yourself a Conservative now? Rolling on the floor laughing

Re: Liberal Today, Liberal 220 years ago, Thomas Paine

Mysandrist Fool's picture

Wow! Now that's just too much common sense. I expect that Curtis' head has now exploded....... Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing Rolling on the floor laughing