Think about it for a minute: a society that takes its children away from parents and family and concentrates them into a building with other children. A concentration camp. Then, the children begin the methodical, thirteen-year progressive indoctrination, carefully planned by institutes of education that conduct "studies" on human behavioral development*. Groups are small at first, with authority being granted to a single adult (sometimes two) that are beholden to a system too vast for a little mind to comprehend. Some may get a glimpse into the mechanics of the authoritarian system because they step out of line and meet the Authority behind the authority: the shadowy Principal. Principal what? Authoritarian. Disciplinarian. Even if the Principal is highly visible, her powers are not. Get it?
Some kids have a visceral repulsion to this bizarre treatment from the start, and a rift begins in the one place where safety should hold precedence: home. Why would the people who are my center, the core of my being here on earth send me away to this place? Issues at home begin immediately upon sending a child to school, simply by the act itself. It is unavoidable. The treatment they have grown accustomed to in an environment where their place is known is not mirrored anywhere in school. Immediately, a child will pick up on how to compete for the teacher's approval, naturally, but under concentrated circumstances. There are more kids than ever before imagined in direct animal competition for the limited resources available to meet their social, mental, and emotional needs. This is where a huge rift begins to divide even the most centered kid: The natural urge to meet needs when they arise is suppressed, killed even. This is the beginning of loss of intrinsic motivation, unless, of course, these things were suppressed also at home. Even if this vital link to survival isn't snuffed, it is horribly redirected into competition, indoctrination, and conformity. The schedule of Authority becomes the schedule of the individual; the agenda of Authority becomes the agenda of the individual; the needs of the many are first divorced from and then surpass the needs of the individual. This severance of the needs of the individual from the needs of the many is critical and it must always happen. This is how minds are made pliable, the wills of all those little hearts is made obsolete, hated even, because it just leads one place: ostracism. Or the Office of the Disciplinarian.
The 'teachers' have their part to play, no matter how altruistic. They themselves are a product of this system and unless they are covert agents, always defer to the Authority. They can not possibly meet the needs of the concentration of children with their unique personalities and abilities and agendas. Not like the parents they are emulating to a degree at this stage in a child's life. Their own agenda is held in a well-regulated tension of autonomy and conformity and (hope - god bless them), but that's just self-inflicted low-level ritual traumatic stress which the kids are picking up on from the moment it all begins.
As the child conforms, so they 'succeed', moving up through the system and the reward is higher concentration in larger class sizes. Hopefully, the indoctrination of the lower grades has prepared them for their continued obsolescence as an individual, because there is definitely not enough approval from 'teacher' to go around. The consequences of free will are greater and the ostracism multiplies. Behaviors that a society of sheep sees as 'normal' are anything but, and do not arise in children kept out of the public education system. Home life, too, suffers as parents champion 'normalcy' on the side of School and society over the best interest of their own children. Imagine the stigma of having a 'troubled child' in the home. A child who has completely lost touch with formative, pre-verbal essence of Self and Love and Safe and Home. A child that asks, "What is wrong with me?"
Conformity provides a reward system, cruelly engineered to survive at the cost of every participant. Conformity does not care, can not care, it only serves a self-replicating game of denial and non-reality that flies in the face of every human trait that is held in regard as unattainable: unconditional love, self love, willingness to serve, nonviolence, creativity, enthusiasm, joie-de-vivre, telepathy - who knows! The possibilities are endless for human accomplishment, but not at the cost of conformity. Not if the status-quo is disturbed, because it works for a few Authoritarians who have risen through this unnatural system of self-abusive competition to wield the fruits of 'victory'. Their sole strength - survival of the contrived manichean system of winning and losing under pre-designated conditions of which only a few know. Or even want to know. Or even know they are playing with.
These facts are picked up on quickly by youth: the template for hierarchy - stratification of castes economic and racial and sexual are handed down through multiple layers of behaviors and language ( if these do not reflect the values of the home, the result is additional strife) which only serve to further separate the will from the identity. What's worse is the shadowy nature of the progenitors of the system, untouchable, unopposible with its layers of indoctrinated middle-men and women. No direct confrontation is possible, no argument heard or satisfied in the moments of emotional severance. It's like vivisection on humans while the subject is still alive.
The adolescent and teen years are paramount to this process, because ideologies are developed and hardened during this time. The teens either experience a wistful concretizing of indoctrinated ideals or the rebellion against them ramps up. One will experience inclusion at a critical time during which emotional support is sought outside of the family unit. The other may experience exclusion, but develop emotional support outside the family all the same, with other 'outcasts'. Sheep and shepherds are cut from the same cloth - they are both authoritarians, but one is passive, comfortable with following rules; the other aggressive, enforcing rules. Neither seems to seek out the causes of the rules, or who makes them. Often it is religion that provides the framework, or laws of the land; whatever the case, rules are needed from some unquestioned source, because the need is for authority. What of the non-sheep, where do they fit into our society? When the consequences of not fitting in 'mature' with age, it may lead to incarceration, or a career at Apple. Social outcasts all, and not privy to the benefits sheep enjoy.
College can be a the final blow for this deceit. The message about college is clear: most employers will desire a college degree to even consider the applicant. What amounts to just another hoop to jump through for the 'educated' work force delivers the last worth-degrading truth: it is not in your control to succeed. The hierarchy is well established and any deviation from it is suppressed socially and financially. The hierarchy structure is accepted as the norm, as "reality - better get used to it." All creativity and inspiration is quashed because the hierarchy is the intellectual property of some committee or board and protected by inane laws and defended by a multitude of bahh-ing lawyers. It is employers who are doing workers the favor of hiring them. This is patently false, because business can not operate without workers. Business needs to fill niches of demand in order to succeed. The demand eventually equates to needing employees. This is contrary to what people are infused with in the final years of school: to make oneself desirable, marketable, sellable. So, the child, now faced with 'growing up' must do so. And what that means is accept the place set forth by the hierarchy just like in school. Play the cards right and maybe, just maybe if the board of regents allows, you may be mobile one way or the other. Just keep your kids in check and it may be upward.
I have grown to despise public schools and the indoctrination of human beings into the ideology of worthlessness that runs like a current under all the pep rallies and self-esteem groups and school dances. I consider myself a human being and celebrate no one except my family and friends. The benefactors of hierarchy are just people and enjoy no special rights under the laws of this and other lands. Why don't people rise up when their rights are stripped day after day? Indoctrination of authority. Passive bleaters staying in their place, holding up the aggressive authoritarians on the pedestals of righteousness.
You can easily see how I attribute this social conditioning to the Nanny State. It is how the status-quo is maintained, with even social unrest planned and compensated for. Where the message of change can be intercepted and redirected with nary a hiccup in the flow of society. Schools are institutions created by this self-same system of status-quo and keeping our precious children as far away from indoctrination as possible is the only thing a loving parent would choose.
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And in the absence of the very "thing" you claim to despise, you would not have had the tools to write that blog.
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Your position is an assumption that I learned to read and write as a result of my public education. I did not. I read long before I was in school and I distinctly recall having my interests (which had served me well until then) suppressed upon entering public school. I read at a level above everyone else in my grade level, I wrote more sophisticated sentences as a result of my emulation of what I was reading (this suggest comprehension). I was skipped ahead one grade level while in the middle of my second year, but by that time I had become extremely competitive and strived to be better than everyone else in class. Precocious, no?
But this is a deviation from my point, really, Lynn, which is that public schools do not deliver what they are chartered to provide, yet do execute the extremes of behavior modification therapy so effectively that a person reading my blog might think I am against free public education.
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That claim can't truly be made unless 1. you know Fremen was publicly educated and 2 in the absence of public education he would not have had an opportunity to get one.
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Right, see above.
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Let me get this right.
You are NOW saying that PRIVATE education is all fucking cool...but the public shit is an effort to create little fucking conformists?
Puhleeeeeeeeeeease.
If there were no education.............LEARNING................
How the hell would you know how to read or write inthe first place? lol
The whole NOTION OF READING AND WRITING IS CONFORMIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We conform to a language...in fact DEMAND that foreigners get it right...........so we can communicate with one another.
The process of conforming to the language is to become INFORMED...............to be INFORMED.........is to LEARN...............to learn is to EDUCATE.
Circular no?
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I say that education is a private thing, regardless of where it comes from. I say that SCHOOLS are a vehicle of social indoctrination, public or private, and that conformity is a method of indoctrination. I am acutely aware of the consequences of written language - an attempt to hold in stasis something that is alive: language. Language does not require writing to exist and I don't have to tell you predates writing. As a matter of fact, language is constantly evolving while the written word struggles to catch up and hold language in a cage. You have to admit that this conversation would be much more valuable were we sitting together speaking to one another about this. Then, meaning can be infused into our communication and some greater value could be had. Hell, we could even hug at the end and part as friends.
I read and write because I was motivated to do so. You can not say that were there no writing, I could not have done so. There would be no writing today if you were correct.
I agree that conforming is a method of socialization and that language plays a big part of it, but my postulation about public schools isn't an argument against education, public or otherwise. it isn't even an argument against conformity, per se, it is my take on the role of public school in the U.S.
For the record, all of my education occurred as a result of my intrinsic motivation. Further, I negotiated my graduation in a guidance counselor's office one day, simply because I felt empowered to do so. I watched her strike things from and into my permanent record as we went down the laundry list of requirements to graduate. It was the most honest experience I had in school.
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Public education is an excellent investment for prosperity, but the problem is that it's turned into "Social Indoctrination".
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I am very clear on how you look at this as a social indoctrination. Last time I checked that was the purpose...at it's very core.
Your entry is quite long...and I would like to address it because I see an awful lot of sensationalizing in it....
To begin, you refer to the classroom as a concentration camp. You then go on to discuss how studies in human behavior are conducted - with one adult being in power.
I call bullshit.
Also, to state that your ideas were supressed at a young age is sad....HOWEVER, the public system stends beyond high school. If you notice, information, access to it, ideas and expectations change over time while in school. This is so that a student can continue to learn. While you seem to be the exception, the reality is that more complex ideas - including the notion of critical thinking- are ENCOURAGED in another realm of public education. I affectionately refer to this place as University.
And while this may not be sufficient for you - it is for the majority of students in public school in North America.
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I state that studies in human behavior are enacted in these concentration camps, not conducted, but there may be some of that going on, too. And your calling BS doesn't make the fact that putting a large, ever increasing (by grade level) number of kids under the questionable authority of a few a BS postulation.
Access to information and stimulation has nothing to do with the school system, Lynn. Home-schooled children are as educated as they can be regarding their intrinsic motivation to learn, for example. I personally know a kid who taught himself to learn at age eight because he wanted to play a video game.
This is all beside the point. Public School indoctrinates our kids into a contrived Make-Believe that has no merit in the real world we supposedly want to have for our children.
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Let's differentiate the two Lynn, K-12 is Public School. This should be the place to teach the fundamental basics, Reading, Writing, Math, Sciences, History and Health. Then when one graduates they move on to Higher Education, be it a Trade School or University. At that level they have the choice to go to what ever School that suits their believe structure. That being, Religious, Secular, Liberal, Conservative, etc. etc. There the "Social" aspects would fit their believe structure. Social Indoctrination does not belong in K-12, that belongs with the parents period.
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In theory you have a slight point. In practice you do not.
PART of the process of socialization occurs when children are WITH other children. In these situations they must learn compromise. They must learn about fairness, compassion, empathy, patience, tardiness, boundries, consequences, manners, laws, etc.
Having said that, it seems to me that you feel "people" should be socialized once they are out of high school???? Is that correct?
Also, your post assumes that parents are masters of their social domain...and have the ability to teach. It also assumes that all parents give a shit about their kids. It also assumes that kids have parents to begin with.
Your post assumes perfection.
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I don't know what kind of perfection of which you speak, Lynn, but part of my conformity was being held down while four women were allowed to beat me. I was lucky as others had Nair rubbed through their scalp. The "authorities" might look the other way, or show no interest at all. Either way, I went missing from school for a couple of weeks. Others were gone months. And we were the ones punished when we came back.
I learned at an early age to question authority and to hang out with people twice my age. They were socially better and much safer to be with. I also learned a lot from them in the fields of the arts, literature and cinema. It was then that I was introduced to foreign films and The Seven Samurai by Akira Kurosawa. I shunned the idiocy that went with high school and graduated 1/2 year early.
I was glad to get the hell out of that nightmare. There were certain things that I was unwilling to sacrifice for "conformity".
I can sincerely agree with the authors post here. Me thinks that you assume "perfection".
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Remember, Lynn, that I postulate that public school does not socialize children in the ways you suggest above. Do you see a society that is fair, compassionate, empathic, patient, with effective boundaries, embracing consequences, and abiding reality at all? That's my point, Lynn, people learn to have these qualities in spite of indoctrination, not because of it.
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That level Socialization you are refering to comes with just the interaction and participating in a community environment, I'm referring directly to "Indoctrination". Apples and Oranges Lynn